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Alex Watson [Zaphodista] Started conversation Jul 8, 2001
Wouldn't it be nice if there was an atheist martyr?
Or not, as the case may be.
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Bob Gone for good read the jornal Posted Aug 14, 2001
Ther are lots of them, take the inqusition for example, they killed anything that wanst athlic athests inclooded
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Alex Watson [Zaphodista] Posted Aug 14, 2001
Yes, but the definition of a martyr is someone who dies for their faith, and an atheist by definition does not believe in any god, so the phrase is contradictory.
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Bob Gone for good read the jornal Posted Aug 15, 2001
Not really, the athest has the balefe that thre is no such thing as a god, there for they have faith that there is no such thing as a god
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Alex Watson [Zaphodista] Posted Aug 16, 2001
I'd always thought that was quite funny... Atheism is rather like a religion in that sense...
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R. Daneel Olivaw -- (User 201118) (Member FFFF, ARS, and DOS) ( -O- ) Posted Apr 11, 2003
How about:
G. Bruno?
By the way, an atheist doesn't necesarrily *believe there* isn't a god.
Some of them, myself included, just feel that it should be assumed there isn't unless we have proof or very good evidence there is.
Also, you might be intereseted in A1022103
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Twenty-First Century Schizoid Man Posted Apr 13, 2003
we dont "believe" that theres no god, we "do not believe" that theres a god.
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R. Daneel Olivaw -- (User 201118) (Member FFFF, ARS, and DOS) ( -O- ) Posted Apr 13, 2003
I agree.
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Twenty-First Century Schizoid Man Posted Apr 13, 2003
and since martyrs are tied to the idea of faith, and atheism is lack thereof...
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R. Daneel Olivaw -- (User 201118) (Member FFFF, ARS, and DOS) ( -O- ) Posted Apr 13, 2003
I agree, if the statement "martyrs are tied to the idea of faith" is true. I'm not surte about that. I'm going to have to look up the word martyr.
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Random person Posted Feb 28, 2004
Atheist martyrs seem unlikely, since atheists (including myself) do not believe in an afterlife, so are likely to just put on a public show of being a devout Catholic or whatever, whilst quietly thinking what a load of nonsense it is, rather than die. Especially since there is no atheist God to take offence at the person pretending to 'renounce their faith' (or whatever phrase is the atheist equivalent thereof).
All this becomes untrue of course if the religion in question demands that its followers do something immoral, rather than just irrational and arbitrary.
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friendly_stranger Posted Sep 4, 2004
Drawing the conclusion: A moral atheist is asked to either take on a religion that requires its followers to act unmorally or to die. In the possible case that the atheist prefers to die he appears to be a martyr. The question remains however, wether he is a martyr of atheism or simply a martyr of moral.
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- 1: Alex Watson [Zaphodista] (Jul 8, 2001)
- 2: Bob Gone for good read the jornal (Aug 14, 2001)
- 3: Alex Watson [Zaphodista] (Aug 14, 2001)
- 4: Bob Gone for good read the jornal (Aug 15, 2001)
- 5: Alex Watson [Zaphodista] (Aug 16, 2001)
- 6: Twenty-First Century Schizoid Man (Jun 8, 2002)
- 7: R. Daneel Olivaw -- (User 201118) (Member FFFF, ARS, and DOS) ( -O- ) (Apr 11, 2003)
- 8: Twenty-First Century Schizoid Man (Apr 13, 2003)
- 9: R. Daneel Olivaw -- (User 201118) (Member FFFF, ARS, and DOS) ( -O- ) (Apr 13, 2003)
- 10: Twenty-First Century Schizoid Man (Apr 13, 2003)
- 11: R. Daneel Olivaw -- (User 201118) (Member FFFF, ARS, and DOS) ( -O- ) (Apr 13, 2003)
- 12: Random person (Feb 28, 2004)
- 13: friendly_stranger (Sep 4, 2004)
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