h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

If you say so nog. Funny these books were written over 2500 years ago. Chose not to believe t'is your's will be the folly not mine.

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Bad spelling aside, why is it the folly of others not to believe in your particular god concept, Kid?


az

What does the fact that something was written 2,500 years ago have to do with its truthfullness? That means that it could not benefit from 2,500 years of additional knowledge gathered in the meantime. In addition, loads of books on Greek and Roman mythology were written that long ago. Does that make them true too?

Choose to believe how you will. That be your fate Mate. Slan Go foill

Das Bedanya.

Yadda yadda yadda, Kid.

Nothing you say convinces.


az

Kid you said Daniel held the 'keys' to these prophesies. Could you quote some of these 'keys', it might make understanding your claims a little easier.

More Religious smug, looking down the nose and elitist claptrap from another American...................
And this from a country with the worlds biggest Porn industry - oh, the irony.......

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How terribly Christian of you, Kid. What would Jesus have to say about this?


az

Kid, its not a question of my belief or anyone elses. You said a couple of things that I don't understand and don't seem to make logical sense.

Also, Doctor, lets be fair. America is a very big country with a lot of people and a huge amount of diversity. I'm sure there is a religious right contingent and a porn industry in the UK also.

I'll get back with you guys after a while I w*ork all night and I'm tired so I'm going to bed. BTW Jesus said to can drive a camel to water but you can't make him drink.

That may well be all well and good and I stand corrected, but at least Tony B is not hearing voices from "Beyond the Stars" ............

My challenge to end-of-the-world merchants.

If you actually believe the world will definitely end in the next decade, and you own a house, how would you feel about me giving you a thousand pounds/dollars/euros *now* for a legal promise that you'll give me the title to your house in 10 year's time. You'll be up on the deal, since you can spend the thousand now, and your house will be no use after the Rapture, so I'll be more of a loser.

"BlaterDude Revelations is a confusing book without knowledge of the other prophetic books. Daniel holds the key for understanding of the rest of prophesy. Get Revelatations out of your scalp. Also shut up long enough to listen."

I can only assume "BlaterDude" is me. Well, perhaps you'd like to illuminate the topic with selected quotes from Daniel?

I thought not.

Get Revelations out of my scalp? But I'm not the one saying it has true predictions. You said there was a true prediction in there, so I'm trying to find it. Are you saying your prediction cannot be found in Revelations? Good. Because that's exactly what I'm saying. So we're agreed. Revelations is nonsense, in the entire body of prophecy in Christianity there hasn't been a single prophecy which has been fulfilled, and the whole thing is a bunch of nonsense designed to scare the thinking impaired.

"Shut up long enough to listen." That must be a direct response to my attempt to take you seriously long enough to critically examine your claim about fulfilled prophecy. I guess this says all we really need to know... your claims simply cannot stand up to intellectual examination.

Also, that's an excellent example of that overweening arrogance I mentioned before.

And a couple more questions for you to sidestep with mindless blather...

1) Apocalyptic cults were quite popular in the Middle East during the time of Jesus and shortly after. We have many examples of apocalypse writings from the period. Why reject all the others and choose only John's? What's so superior about his? What makes you think that, on the off chance that one of them was actually right, it's the one you're reading? Why not Nostradomus, or Miss Cleo?

2) Where does Jesus say "You can lead a camel to water but you can't make him drink?

I'll give you a hint on the second one... he doesn't. You've bastardized a common English saying, "You can lead a HORSE to water but you can't make him drink," origin unknown.

I just posted that last bit to further establish the extent of your biblical understanding.

Yes, sorry Nog, Herod as the selected ruler by the Romans and not Jewish.

Woodpigeon, just a thought about this message.
what is truth is unchangeable. Something that changes cannot be true.
If the words of the bible were completely true, we would have one Christian religion, instead we have a multitude of factions. Evidence that the bible is negotiable and liable to change and as such cannot be truth.

Hi Moth,

I think we're in agreement here. Let's say, for sake of argument, that there is a God; but that his/His/Her nature has never quite properly been revealed to people. He is therefore true, but the people's understanding of him is never quite right. A fair assumption, I think.

Different cultures have made attempts to understand him, based primarily on their own (inadequate) level of knowledge and experience at the time they did so. So the works themselves are only accounts at a particular time - not true in themselves. Maybe the works get closer to understanding God and maybe they do not, but either way, more thinking is done and more knowledge of the universe is added to the mix, and the understanding at least becomes more nuanced and complex.

A thinking religious person could then, quite legitimately, take multiple sources to try to fit his understanding, and not straitjacket himself to just one account.

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Hi Woodpigeon... Yes!

Yep a fool chatters whilst a wise man listens.

The last post was to blast......something.

The thing is, if someone is using multiple sources (or one ambiguous or self-contradictory source open to much interpretation) to try and gain some better impression of a god or gods they think exist, (even if that *better* impression is actualy a *vaguer* one), that's one thing.

However, when someone starts to think they *know* exactly which bits of which sources are Right (as in *absolutely* Right and True, not just right for *them*), they should take a few deep breaths, and ask themselves what makes them so special that they manage to create the ultimate fusion of truth when so many other before them have evidently failed.