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Jerry Springer The Opera.

Post 161

Potholer

Same here - the context I took it in (regarding the 'Britain is a majority Christian nation' type comments) were that there are many who don't practice a religion, or even really believe in it, but who are too apathetic to consider themselves as nonreligious.

In the same sense as there are people who may (whatever their family religion/atheism history) be in the a similar faith (or unfaith) position who might call themselves atheist or agnostic, there are people who don't really believe in a religion, but don't really believe/think there really isn't a God, or even believe that the existence of God isn't decidable that might call themselves [insert parenttal religion].

They aren't really a believer, an atheist, or an agnostic in any serious thinking sense. I'd be tempted to call them apathists.
They may like to *think* of themselves as religious, if they have some residual asociation between religion and general goodness, but then I'd like to think of myself as being as sexy as I am brilliant.
However, being realistic and modest as usual, I know no-one could really be *that* sexy. smiley - smiley


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Post 162

Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

Forgive me if this has been said before; I only had the stamina to read the first two or three pages of the thread, but it seems relevant.

I saw the end of the show, and thought it was rather good. I asked around to see who else had seen it, and I found a pattern emerging...

There were three responses.

1) "I saw it and I loved it." Most people who I can comfortably sit down to a good argument with held this viewpoint.

2) "I was busy and I missed it, but I didn't really care."

3) "I didn't see it. It was terrible. Anyone who watched this blasphemous rubbish deserves to rot in hell." This viewpoint was most vociferous from people who describe themselves as "Christian" and "Tolerant". The most telling part is, of course, the "I didn't see it..."

Basically, of those who did see it, there were a few minor criticisms of the production; these were all technical in nature and nobody argued about its entertainment value. Those who didn't see it, however, had much stronger views on what was wrong with it, and had held those views since before it even aired.

Does this represent a predisposition amongst the overtly religious to take things on trust and not risk allowing the facts to shake their belief system? smiley - erm


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Post 163

DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me!

You're right, King Bomba, it is a good point...


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Post 164

azahar

Finally got to see the programme ( smiley - cheers Grey Desk! ) and I honestly can't see what all the fuss was about. Mostly it was silly, a bit slow in parts, but with a few good 'laugh out loud' moments.

I can't believe that BBC guy actually quite his job over it.

I also can't believe that all those raging Christians, well, raged.

My favourite bit was the 'warning' before the second act (the one that's a part of the show). And some of the music was fun too. Oh yes, and God singing 'it ain't easy being me'. smiley - biggrin

If Christians were really concerned they should have watched the ending (or watched it full stop) as it had a very positive message about loving our fellow man. Gosh, I mean how blasphemous can you get? smiley - winkeye


smiley - popcorn

az


ps
Clive - email your address to me and I'll send the tape to you.


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Post 165

Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic.

Will do! smiley - ok


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Post 166

icecoldalex

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Yeah I like that one too. (See post 6)


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Post 167

Ferrettbadger. The Renegade Master

Did anyone see the interview with Terry Gilliam in the Indescribably Boring t'other day?

Basically he said he left the church because any organisation so weak that it cannot take a bit of joshing cannot be up to much.

I hurt my self laughing!


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Post 168

azahar

Here is the final speech Jerry made in the Opera, as he lay dying . . .

'It's been a hell of a day. I've learned that there are no absolutes of good and evil and that we all live in a glorious state of flux. What can I say? You're not looking at a dying man here, you're looking at yourselves. In a matter of months or years or whatever. And for better or for worse, history defines us by what we do and what we choose not to do. Hopefully what will survive of us is love. So until the next time, take care of yourselves. And each other.'

Can anyone explain to me how, a bit of 'bad' language and some light humour about the Christian religion aside, that the message of this opera would conflict with Christian beliefs?

Too bad they never bothered to watch it.

az


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Post 169

Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

smiley - ok


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Post 170

Alfster

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Well, when The Christian Voice (or lets make it straight STEPHEN GREEN has a go at the Bishops Chaplian of a Cathedral you can pretty much say the guy has a screw loose.

http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/

Here is another link:

http://www.kasino.co.uk/gary/2005/01/one-true-voice.html

The interetsing bit is about the piece from Private Eye that I was too lazy to type in myself at the weekend but gives interesting reading about the person behind The Christian Voice.


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Post 171

Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic.

*makes a mental note to pick up a copy of private eye tomorrow.*

smiley - ok


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Post 172

Potholer

I must say, the phrase "Homosexual Mecca" brings up some strange mental imagery.


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Post 173

Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

Gay Bingo? smiley - silly


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Post 174

Alfster

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Presumably when you get all you numbers you shout 'Full Cottage' rather than 'Full House'.


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Post 175

Alfster

From the Christian Voice website (yes, I am still having fun trawling through itsmiley - biggrin:

A reminder that the inscription in the entrance hall of BBC Broadcasting House, Portland Place, London states:

"To Almighty God, this shrine of the arts, music and literature is dedicated by the first Governors in the year of our Lord 1931, John Reith being Director General. It is their prayer that good seed sown will produce a good harvest, that everything offensive to decency and hostile to peace will be expelled, and that the nation will incline its ear to those things which are lovely, pure and of good report and thus pursue that path of wisdom and virtue."


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Post 176

Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

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"Two excited gentlemen, number 11"


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Post 177

Potholer

The phrase does cause similarly strange mental imagery to the phrase "Gay Mafia" which seemed to be quite popular with the media in the days of Mandelson.


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Post 178

KB

Wasn't it Robert Mugabe who coined that one? Britain being run by a gay mafia?


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Post 179

Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista)

They'll make you a quiche you cannot refuse.


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Post 180

Potholer

Cross them, and it's non-matching curtains for you.


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