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Potholer Posted Jan 18, 2005
Same here - the context I took it in (regarding the 'Britain is a majority Christian nation' type comments) were that there are many who don't practice a religion, or even really believe in it, but who are too apathetic to consider themselves as nonreligious.
In the same sense as there are people who may (whatever their family religion/atheism history) be in the a similar faith (or unfaith) position who might call themselves atheist or agnostic, there are people who don't really believe in a religion, but don't really believe/think there really isn't a God, or even believe that the existence of God isn't decidable that might call themselves [insert parenttal religion].
They aren't really a believer, an atheist, or an agnostic in any serious thinking sense. I'd be tempted to call them apathists.
They may like to *think* of themselves as religious, if they have some residual asociation between religion and general goodness, but then I'd like to think of myself as being as sexy as I am brilliant.
However, being realistic and modest as usual, I know no-one could really be *that* sexy.
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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista) Posted Jan 18, 2005
Forgive me if this has been said before; I only had the stamina to read the first two or three pages of the thread, but it seems relevant.
I saw the end of the show, and thought it was rather good. I asked around to see who else had seen it, and I found a pattern emerging...
There were three responses.
1) "I saw it and I loved it." Most people who I can comfortably sit down to a good argument with held this viewpoint.
2) "I was busy and I missed it, but I didn't really care."
3) "I didn't see it. It was terrible. Anyone who watched this blasphemous rubbish deserves to rot in hell." This viewpoint was most vociferous from people who describe themselves as "Christian" and "Tolerant". The most telling part is, of course, the "I didn't see it..."
Basically, of those who did see it, there were a few minor criticisms of the production; these were all technical in nature and nobody argued about its entertainment value. Those who didn't see it, however, had much stronger views on what was wrong with it, and had held those views since before it even aired.
Does this represent a predisposition amongst the overtly religious to take things on trust and not risk allowing the facts to shake their belief system?
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DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Jan 19, 2005
You're right, King Bomba, it is a good point...
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azahar Posted Jan 20, 2005
Finally got to see the programme ( Grey Desk! ) and I honestly can't see what all the fuss was about. Mostly it was silly, a bit slow in parts, but with a few good 'laugh out loud' moments.
I can't believe that BBC guy actually quite his job over it.
I also can't believe that all those raging Christians, well, raged.
My favourite bit was the 'warning' before the second act (the one that's a part of the show). And some of the music was fun too. Oh yes, and God singing 'it ain't easy being me'.
If Christians were really concerned they should have watched the ending (or watched it full stop) as it had a very positive message about loving our fellow man. Gosh, I mean how blasphemous can you get?
az
ps
Clive - email your address to me and I'll send the tape to you.
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Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic. Posted Jan 20, 2005
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Ferrettbadger. The Renegade Master Posted Jan 21, 2005
Did anyone see the interview with Terry Gilliam in the Indescribably Boring t'other day?
Basically he said he left the church because any organisation so weak that it cannot take a bit of joshing cannot be up to much.
I hurt my self laughing!
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azahar Posted Jan 23, 2005
Here is the final speech Jerry made in the Opera, as he lay dying . . .
'It's been a hell of a day. I've learned that there are no absolutes of good and evil and that we all live in a glorious state of flux. What can I say? You're not looking at a dying man here, you're looking at yourselves. In a matter of months or years or whatever. And for better or for worse, history defines us by what we do and what we choose not to do. Hopefully what will survive of us is love. So until the next time, take care of yourselves. And each other.'
Can anyone explain to me how, a bit of 'bad' language and some light humour about the Christian religion aside, that the message of this opera would conflict with Christian beliefs?
Too bad they never bothered to watch it.
az
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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista) Posted Jan 23, 2005
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Alfster Posted Jan 25, 2005
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Well, when The Christian Voice (or lets make it straight STEPHEN GREEN has a go at the Bishops Chaplian of a Cathedral you can pretty much say the guy has a screw loose.
http://www.christianvoice.org.uk/
Here is another link:
http://www.kasino.co.uk/gary/2005/01/one-true-voice.html
The interetsing bit is about the piece from Private Eye that I was too lazy to type in myself at the weekend but gives interesting reading about the person behind The Christian Voice.
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Clive the flying ostrich: Amateur Polymath | Chief Heretic. Posted Jan 25, 2005
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Potholer Posted Jan 25, 2005
I must say, the phrase "Homosexual Mecca" brings up some strange mental imagery.
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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista) Posted Jan 25, 2005
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Alfster Posted Jan 25, 2005
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Presumably when you get all you numbers you shout 'Full Cottage' rather than 'Full House'.
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Alfster Posted Jan 25, 2005
From the Christian Voice website (yes, I am still having fun trawling through it:
A reminder that the inscription in the entrance hall of BBC Broadcasting House, Portland Place, London states:
"To Almighty God, this shrine of the arts, music and literature is dedicated by the first Governors in the year of our Lord 1931, John Reith being Director General. It is their prayer that good seed sown will produce a good harvest, that everything offensive to decency and hostile to peace will be expelled, and that the nation will incline its ear to those things which are lovely, pure and of good report and thus pursue that path of wisdom and virtue."
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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista) Posted Jan 25, 2005
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"Two excited gentlemen, number 11"
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Potholer Posted Jan 25, 2005
The phrase does cause similarly strange mental imagery to the phrase "Gay Mafia" which seemed to be quite popular with the media in the days of Mandelson.
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KB Posted Jan 25, 2005
Wasn't it Robert Mugabe who coined that one? Britain being run by a gay mafia?
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Peet (the Pedantic Punctuation Policeman, Muse of Lateral Programming Ideas, Eggcups-Spurtle-and-Spoonswinner, BBC Cheese Namer & Zaphodista) Posted Jan 25, 2005
They'll make you a quiche you cannot refuse.
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Potholer Posted Jan 25, 2005
Cross them, and it's non-matching curtains for you.
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