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A1048385 - E. coli: Friend or Foe?
Mikey the Humming Mouse - A3938628 Learn More About the Edited Guide! Posted May 23, 2003
Comments, in a relatively random order:
1) I may well make my biology students read this, as this is what I was *hoping* to get from them when I assigned an essay earlier in the semester on beneficial bacteria. You would not believe the that was handed in. *sigh* The students are actually quite decent at memorizing the vocabularies and structures and whatnot, but asking them to actually research and synthesize and write is really beyond what they're willing to do (although not beyond they're capabilities -- they're all quite brilliant kids).
2) Per EG guidelines, all footnotes should be complete sentences.
3) In this sentence: "Technically speaking, E. coli is a Gram-negative, facultatively anaerobic bacterium in the family Enterobacteriaceae." I think it's also whether mentioning E. coli is a rod, coccus, or spirogizmo.
4) It might also be worth mentioning that a new treatment is currently being developed for the nasty type of E. coli infections, which involves using targeted bacteriophages instead of antibiotics. Animal trials have been hugely successful have at least 2 universities that I know of, and I believe human trials are being planned (may already be underway, but I don't think so yet). Anyway, this route gets around some of the problems with the interactions between the antibiotics and toxin production in E.coli. People seem very excited about this -- the old way of using bacteriophages wouldn't work on a large scale, but they seem to have gotten around that.
5) In the normal gut flora section, I definitely think it's worth mentioning that E. coli is the main reason poop smells the way it does. People clearly need to know these things. Anyway, this is why babies' diapers smell different when they are on antibiotics -- and (of course they are then prone to antibiotic-associated diarrhea from rotavirus and the like).
6) "Those who do not have these bacteria helping them digest their milk are thus lactose-intolerant." Sorry, but I don't believe that the lack of bacteria is the sole reason for lactose-intolerance. If it was, it wouldn't be that difficult to establish the correct microflora into people to make them lactose-tolerant -- after all, we give people brand new GI flora all the time after surgeries and immunosuppresions and whatnot. There are also genetic factors involved, as I recall.
A1048385 - E. coli: Friend or Foe?
Farlander Posted May 23, 2003
oops... you mean to say we failed to mention that e. coli was rod-shaped? oh dear...
maybe we could change "Those who do not have these bacteria helping them digest their milk are thus lactose-intolerant" to "these microbes help confer lactose-tolerancealthough genetic predisposition also plays a role in determining if a person is lactose-tolerant or otherwise</footnote", or just omit the sentence altogether? although i do have this friend who, when she goes on antibiotics (which is pretty often, mind you), becomes intolerant to lactose for several weeks, so i think the microbes play a pretty big role, even if they are not the only factor influencing lactose-intolerance.
thanks for your !
(i also find it terribly interesting how they're supposedly developing new bioweapons - i don't know if they've actually *done* this, or if it's all still theory - using a combination of viruses and bacteria. hide the viruses in pathogenic bacteria, and infect the host. when host tries to kill off bacteria using antibiotics, host ruptures bacterial cells, releasing viruses. pretty cool, that. any news about that?)
A1048385 - E. coli: Friend or Foe?
Ste Posted May 23, 2003
Thanks Stratagenius V
An entry about the whole GE debate, eh Recumbentman? That might be worth a shot, especially as the furore has died down somewhat of late.
summerbayexile: You had a done of O157, did you? Nasty, good to see you up and about. Regarding the meningitis comment, you are absolutely correct. I'll remedy that right away. I've reworked the entire Meningitis section slightly too. Thanks for your input.
Thanks for the comments Mikey, I'll have to deal with them tomorrow. Movies await!
Ste
A1048385 - E. coli: Friend or Foe?
Ste Posted May 24, 2003
Busy weekend. Just dashed in to clear up Mikey's well-spotted points on the entry:
1) Yeah! Get the biology students to read my entry! I'd get such a kick out of that, as I'm sure Farly would.
2) Footnotes complete sentences. You're right. Alrighty, I'll get onto it. Changed some, removed one (the sulphur reference, couldn't reword it).
3) Added 'rod-shaped' to the intro.
4) I heard about the Soviets having a rather advanced phage research programme up and running. Facinating stuff. I'm not sure if the entry can squeeze that information in, IMO it's a little on the big size. It might merit a whole entry by itself.
5) People have the right, no..., the *need* to know such vital information. I shall add it in forthwith.
6) Changed the lactose-intolerant part, as Farly suggested.
Thank you!
Ste
A1048385 - E. coli: Friend or Foe?
Mikey the Humming Mouse - A3938628 Learn More About the Edited Guide! Posted May 24, 2003
Another quickie:
In the natural gut flora bit --
"they even inhibit the growth of pathogenic bacteria by secreting various substances that are toxic non-indigenous bacteria"
I think is supposed to be....
"they even inhibit the growth of pathogenic bacteria by secreting various substances that are toxic to non-indigenous bacteria"
It took me awhile to figure out what that sentence meant until I mentally added in the missing preposition.
A1048385 - E. coli: Friend or Foe?
Ste Posted May 24, 2003
Ah! Those ones are always the hardest to spot. Your brain just reads through it. Well, mine does.
Thanks again,
Ste
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summerbayexile Posted May 27, 2003
Well done you two,
In honour of the little bug(ger) this is my first accepted recommendation as a scout. Really pleased for both of you.
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Santragenius V Posted May 27, 2003
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Will Posted May 28, 2003
Hi everyone ,
I'm the sub-editor for this entry. The recommended version is located at A1061308. I'll post here with details of any major changes that I have, and if I, you, or anyone else has questions, please post them here .
This is #2 in my Sub-editing queue. I think that I'll be ready to start on it in less than a week. In the meantime, if anyone has any questions, comments, or whatever, post away .
Robert
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Ste Posted May 29, 2003
Hi Robert
Whist you're subediting, do you think you could record all of the changes you make so we can comment/disagree/agree on them?
Ste
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Farlander Posted May 30, 2003
and while we're at it, provide a padded cell and padded paddles so that we don't actually *injure* ourselves when bopping each other on the head? lol, i'm just kidding!
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Farlander Posted May 30, 2003
about what, robert? suggest to the italics they create cyberspace soundproof padded rooms to toss the writers and their subeditors into while the editing process is taking place?
don't mind me - i'm still high on the caffeine from my coffee...
anyway, good to be working with you
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Will Posted Jun 5, 2003
` I think that I'll be ready to start on it in less than a week. '
Completly forgetting my schedule for this week. Make that starting on Friday or something . Like I told Ste, Finals week this week .
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Farlander Posted Jun 5, 2003
no prob. better work on your exam first, or you'll have us to blame for writing 'i am a fish' on your exam paper (rd reference)
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