h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

F2763049?thread=1431255 for anyone not aware there is a new Essex Entry at A7524975

Mina (I think) from post #3

."In the south east, on the east coast of England, in the west of East Anglia, Essex is the county of the East Saxons. It borders on the east side of Greater London - the borough of Havering - the M25 marks this border, Hertfordshire, Cambridgeshire and Suffolk (the river Stour forms part of the border), and on the other side of the Thames that marks the south border of the county is Kent (A667839). On the east side is the English Channel and North Sea."

Is this your own words, or copied from somewhere?

Emmily

another question (there may be more after this

Tony from post #6

>"Earl of Essex, Robert Devereux was the last traitor to be hung at Tower of London in 1565. Born in Wanstead, he was given the post of controlling Ireland but came back to England in order to pursue a job he had lusted after for many a year. He was put under house arrest for the crime and later refused to come to court, he tried to lead a rebellion against the government for 12 hours but was eventually caught and hung on a specially crafted platform in 1601."

Any reason this was not added to the Entry? ie was it discovered Earl of Essex was just a title and he had no actual connections with Essex

Emmily

Reply to post 61, no it wasn't copied, I wrote that myself, so it's ok to use word for word, although I think it needs some tidying up.

No I just didn't want to overload the entry so left it out in favour of other people's stuff. Its in my own words too.

Ok,

Emmily

Editorial Note: This conversation has been moved from 'Challenge h2g2' to 'Essex, England, UK'.

Just clearning out Challenge h2g2, so I thought I'd move the thread to the soon-to-be-Edited Entry. Cheers! Paully

Why has it been moved to the Edited version and not the unedited version, where the PR thread is?

Emmily

There may be info here that didn't make it into the entry?

You could say the same about a PR thread.

Emmily

Very true! But I wouldn't like some of the PR threads I've seen lately attached to the Edited Version.

I'm a bit confused as to what this is doing here myself: I usually subscribe to the 'discuss' for the entries I sub, but I like to think it can wait until *after* I'm done

>>There may be info here that didn't make it into the entry?<<

Frankly, I find that somewhat hard to believe

Right - let's see if we can't get this done ... *deep breath*

I think Emmily's right, it probably all did get in, unless it was wrong (as I was at one point)

Right - this is done.

Just for now, I've left the unedited version at the bottom, with the subbed version at the top and a line between them: this is in case you want to see what I've done without having to dig out the unedited entry from elsewhere.

Because I have had to do a fair amount of rejigging in some places (for instance, there were a few bits - the historical ones especially - where the wording was too close to that on the source sites and I've rewritten accordingly).

There's some pruning, some streamlining ... basically, because of the length and the collaborative nature - which means there's bound to be some 'bumpiness' - if there's anything you want to query, please do and I'll hold off returning this to the eds till you're happy

"River Thames, by the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge"

As I said time after time in the PR thread it is known and marked on sign posts and maps as the ***Dartford Crossing*** here's the proof!

http://images5.fotopic.net/?iid=ybp6pd&noresize=1&nostamp=1&quality=70

Emmily

>"A remake of the US original featuring Donald Trump"

Where's that come from? What has a US show got to do with Essex or Amstrad? Please remove it.

Hoofs in smugglers section, should be hooves, I forgot to correct it.

Emmily

(hoofs/hooves in highwaymen section, not smuggling.)

"and some unusual ways of overcoming associated driving conditions, such as; driving up a steep icy hill backwards using reverse gear."

Why remove that? That's a fact, some drivers did drive up steep hills in reverse, my mum watched them do it, on Horndon-on-the-hill's steep hill.

Emmily

>"Chelmsford Prison and Porridge" (subheader)

I liked my subheader - Chelmsford Prison's 'Porridge'

What's wrong with that?

>"Essex was put on the map due to its jokes about so-called stereotypical Essex girls"

Why remove that? Essex was put on the map (though there may be a better way of saying it) due to the Essex Girl jokes. People who had never heard of Essex looked it up, to find out where it was.


Emmily

The rest is great thanks Trin

Emmily

Right then *rolls up sleeves*

>>As I said time after time in the PR thread it is known and marked on sign posts and maps as the ***Dartford Crossing*** here's the proof!<<

I know, I read the threads - and the footnote still has the info - but the unedited version did seem a bit uneven, even slightly self-contradictory, as a result of all the wrangling. Here's the problem in the original.

1. The bridge is commonly called 'The Dartford Crossing'
2. The tunnels are called 'The Dartford Tunnel'
3. The bridge *and* the tunnels together are called 'The Dartford Crossing'

Now, 1 and 3 can't both be right (thus 'part of' in the footnote). I had a great deal of difficulty getting this one sorted out (I do take the point, no one I know has ever called it the 'Queen Elizabeth II Bridge' either) - and, in any case, Mina's entry on the crossings that you link to does cover everything in detail. How would this be?

>>Thurrock in Essex is linked to Dartford in Kent, on the far side of the River Thames, by what is offically known - though hardly ever referred to - as the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge<<

I've dumped Trump, reheated the porridge and given the horses hooves

>>Essex was put on the map (though there may be a better way of saying it) due to the Essex Girl jokes<<

It was just 'on the map' I had a problem with (the rest of the entry, on all the other reasons it was already on the map - just sounded a bit odd phrased like this). So, it now reads:

>>During the 1980s, Essex found new fame as the butt of jokes...<<

Finally ...

>>and some unusual ways of overcoming associated driving conditions, such as; driving up a steep icy hill backwards using reverse gear<<

I removed this because it stuck out like a sore thumb as having nothing *specifically* to do with Essex (which, as you yourself say, has hills, but isn't renowned for them). 'Unusual' in Essex, perhaps, but in North Wales, most of Scotland etc. it's common practice, taught in driving schools (and in subbing this I'm having to bear in mind the counties project as a whole). Look at it this way - an entry on the Shetland Isles which includes a section on it occasionally being sunny and warm ...

>>leading to some unusual ways of overcoming associated sweating conditions, such as taking off duffelcoats and turning the central heating down<<

See what I mean? The information is itself useful advice, but it just doesn't seem to belong *here*.

Hope that answers everything - I'll wait till I hear back from you

"I do take the point, no one I know has ever called it the 'Queen Elizabeth II Bridge' either"

If there's an accident on it then the radio often says "there's an accident on the QE2 bridge leading to severe delays clockwise from junction 28"!

Basically I'm with Trin on this one, it *is* the QE2 bridge and it is referred to as such, though it is also called the Dartford crossing. I think the current wording works well and allows both names to be used without too much wordiness!

On a slightly pedantic note, the Strood is only covered during peak high tides therefore it's a little misleading to say it's only uncovered during low tides (high and low tides account for about 2 hours each so you can see how this changes the meaning) it is usually only covered a about 10 times a month for 30mins - 4hrs each time and almost never at rush hour (usually it only happens around midday and mid night when there's a full moon), which is why no-one can be bothered to build a bridge and there is only the causeway.