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DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Apr 30, 2008
The SF writer is James P Hogan and I'm linking to some articles by him...having googled him.
http://www.jamesphogan.com/bb/bulletin.php?id=84
http://www.jamesphogan.com/bb/bulletin.php?id=90
http://www.jamesphogan.com/bb/bulletin.php?id=193
(Denton is a New Zealander>
http://www.jamesphogan.com/bb/bulletin.php?id=1043
(Note particularly, the 4th bulleted point, "Why ID is not "creationism in disguise."
You're not going to like 'em, but still you should read them, as you'd expect me to read something putting Darwin's p.o.v., and I would! (I don't accept everything Hogan says, he's a libertarian and heavily American influenced, for goodness' sake!)
Vicky
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Giford Posted Apr 30, 2008
Hi Vicky,
I'm off to read those links now. But meantime a quick look on Wikipedia shows that Hogan doubts not just evolution, but also the reality of the Holocaust, the link between HIV and AIDS and global warming. He even supports Velikovsky's ideas. In other words, he sounds just a teensy bit like a crank.
Gif
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Giford Posted Apr 30, 2008
Yes, I'm afraid those links - particularly the second one - are a laundry-list of Creationist claims, many of which are factually incorrect. Hogan may not be a Christian, but he seems to have got all his information on evolution from Christian writers.
Gif
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DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Apr 30, 2008
All right,I have to admit he's a bit of a crank! I found him listed on an American site about libertarian writers, and that's how I think of him primarily. I did not know the Holocaust thing about him...
Vicky
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tacsatduck- beware the <sheep> lie Posted May 1, 2008
Well I would love to believe that didn't happen either, but unfortunately....
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Giford Posted May 1, 2008
Hi Vicky,
No, no, no, but you need to...
Oh, hang on, we agree! And there was me just about to suggest we start another thread to discuss his points in detail!
By the way, did you mean 'libertarian' or 'liberal'?
Gif
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DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted May 1, 2008
I meant libertarian, as in a follower of Ayn Rand, or one or other of the schisms that has occurred since her death.
Libertarians, whether of the Randian or other persuasion, give me shivers, they're well scary people. I *loved" Hogan's novel 'Echoes of an Alien Sky', it had the one quality I look for in SF - a sense of wonder or as we call it in sfnal circles "sensa wunda", and despite that a main feature of it is the total destruction of the human race (!), it has also that sense of optimism of Star Trek TOS, and early ST;TNG... Therefore I don't want to believe Hogan's a Randian, or a Holocaust denier, but if that's where the evidence leads, I gotta accept it, sigh...
I was just thinking about Francis Collins' book, which I read recently, 'The Language of God'... He has some harsh things to say about ID and creationism, you'd appreciate that if nothing else about it!
Vicky
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Giford Posted May 1, 2008
Yeah, I thought you'd be opposed to libertarianism but thought from your post you were saying you weren't. It's clear now.
Gif
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Giford Posted May 8, 2008
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7385949.stm
Genome of the duck-billed platypus is unveiled. Surprisingly, it does apparently have some avian genetic features, specifically in the sex-determining chromosomes - though W***pedia claims these genes are also found in amphibians and fish and may be transitional in platypuses.
Gif
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DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted May 9, 2008
That's fascinating stuff, Giford!
Vicky
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tacsatduck- beware the <sheep> lie Posted May 9, 2008
Best part:
"The platypus is so strange that it was considered a hoax when sent from Australia to European researchers in the 19th Century."
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Giford Posted May 12, 2008
http://www.reuters.com/article/artsNews/idUSL0992091620080509?sp=true
The leading Islamic Creationist Hurun Yaha has been sentenced to 30 years in jail for - as far as I can tell from the above article - publishing his works at a profit.
He is appealing against the sentence.
Gif
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DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted May 12, 2008
Gif, it's a 3 year sentence, not a 30 year one! I can see that it's not entirely clear what he was sentenced for... but it certainly isn't for "publishing his works at a profit"!
Vicky
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Giford Posted May 13, 2008
so it is. The article says he's been convicted of 'creating an illegal organization for personal gain'. I'm assuming that the 'illegal organisation' is his creationist publishing group - there's nothing in the article to indicate he's involved in any other criminal activity.
Gif
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Giford Posted Jun 5, 2008
A couple of interesting transitional fossils have turned up over the last couple of weeks.
Materpiscis attenboroughi (yes, named after A20218628) gives evidence that live birth evolved earlier than previously thought: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materpiscis
And a 'frog-amander' - a frog/salamander transitional - has been unearthed: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/05/21/scifrog121.xml
As if that weren't enough, we have a praying mantis transitional (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080425-amber-mantis.html) trapped in amber and a sea-urchin/starfish transitional.
Gif
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Giford Posted Jun 27, 2008
Another 'fishibian': http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/06/25/fishfossil.ap/index.html
This one is unlikely to be directly ancestral to modern tetrapods, but still matches the definition of a transitional.
Gif
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Giford Posted Jul 28, 2008
And continuing a run of fishy transitionals:
http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientist/2008/07/the_mysterious_origin_of_the_w_1.php
A flatfish transitional, with the eye rotated part-way around the head.
"Flatfishes are born with one eye on each side of their head, but [...] one eye migrates to the other side of the fish's head [...], producing asymmetrical juvenile fishes." Adult fish have both eyes on one side of the head, allowing them to lie eyes-up on the bottom. Now an adult transitional has been found with a part-rotated eye.
Gif
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Giford Posted Aug 14, 2008
Something from last month I seem to have missed:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-close-to-recon
Harvard Medical School researchers have produced a highly primitive cell consisting of just a membrane and DNA, capable of reproduction. Yet another hole in the increasingly collander-like idea of ID/IC.
Gif
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