A Conversation for Evolution and Creation - an Introduction and Glossary

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IctoanAWEWawi

cool, cheers for that one!


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Post 122

Giford

Two in two days! Admittedly this one lacks a bit of the smiley - cool factor, but here's a walking seal transitional:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8012322.stm

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Post 123

Giford

Homo 'hobbit' floriensis: settled...?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8036396.stm

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Post 124

Giford

More progress on figuring out the chemical origins of life on Earth.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090513/sc_afp/sciencebiologylife_20090513210508

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Post 125

IctoanAWEWawi

yeah, I saw that, fascinating stuff.


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Post 126

IctoanAWEWawi

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124235632936122739.html

"In what could prove to be a landmark discovery, a leading paleontologist said scientists have dug up the 47 million-year-old fossil of an ancient primate whose features suggest it could be the common ancestor of all later monkeys, apes and humans."

not concrete but an interesting addition.


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Post 127

Giford

smiley - ok

Thanks Ictoan.

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Post 128

IctoanAWEWawi

here we go, said paper:

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0005723

and contrary to the above link it would appear that the animal is from just after the split and is not on the lemur branch of the tree.
Sounds like an amazing specimen.

Worth also noting that she was actually found in 1983 and kept privately by the finder. 20yrs that sat there without informing our world view - one wonders what else is being hidden in cupboards and drawers, people really should get these specimens checked out properly.


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Post 129

Giford

I don't think that's particularly unusual with fossils - iirc the first Archaeopteryx specimins had a similar story. One was sold as part of a 'job lot' and it was about 20 years before their importance was recognised.

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Post 130

IctoanAWEWawi

maybe not, but it is annoying smiley - smiley


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Post 131

Giford

There's quite a bit of buzz in the blogsphere about the over-hyping of Darwinius masillae. Not that it's not fascinating and informative (well, to the experts) but from the popular press, you'd think it was the only transitional out there.

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Post 132

IctoanAWEWawi

indeed, it is very important, but quite a lot seem to be reporting it as 'the missing link', which it isn't (not in the way they mean). It isn't even the earliest common ancestor for all apes/monkeys/lemurs/whatever. Usual misreporting which misinforms the public and negatively affects science when people find out it isn't what was reported to them.

Ah well, still fascinating though smiley - smiley




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Post 133

Giford

It's not even entirely clear whether it's on the 'monkey line' or the 'lemur line', so it may not be a human ancestor at all. But of course the press has rushed out with its usual hype.

Expect Creationists to make much of this in their attempts to deny its importance.

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Post 134

IctoanAWEWawi

not to clutter up your nice thread, but this seems relevant:

http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php


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Post 135

IctoanAWEWawi

another new family relative:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090602083729.htm

"previously unknown hominoid primate genus in Spain... roughly 12 million years ago...bears a strikingly "modern" facial appearance with a flat face"


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Post 136

IctoanAWEWawi

which has also taught me the word 'prognathic' smiley - smiley


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Post 137

Giford

Good spot - you even beat Pharyngula to that one smiley - smiley

h2g2 - the cutting edge of science blogging!

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Post 138

IctoanAWEWawi

heh - but not Dawkins smiley - winkeye


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Post 139

Giford

An (increasingly rare) piece of dissent from the bird-dinosaur idea:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090609092055.htm

I'm not quite sure I follow the objection: if *all* known creatures have moveable femurs, how does this link birds to a non-dinosaur group? (Note that Ruben is not denying that birds did evolve from known creatures.) Put next to actual fossils of feathered dinosaurs, it seems sketchy.

It will be interesting to see if 'orthodox' palaeontologists have any response to this.

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Post 140

Giford

And, as if one cue:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/06/limusaurus_inextricabilis.php

Bird-dino transitional neatly pulls the rug from under Feduccia's claims that dino-bird digit evolution is impossible.

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