h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

>>7.
Give all ethnic minorities the freedom to choose whom they are governed by, and even to secede if they so desire.<<

Some interesting facts in the western history:
1) When USA sought independence, did UK agree it right away? Why did UK send troops to America and fought against Washington?

2) Did Abraham Lincoln give the freedom to the South and agree to let them secede? Why did he fight bitterly against South? The war made millions dead which was the biggest human rights catastrophe.

What's more, can you vote to select a King or Queen for UK? Why can you select only the prime minister but cannot select King/Queen? What is the usage of a King/Queen in today's modern society? Why are the King/Queen and his/her family costing so much tax payer's money?

1.>>Treat human beings as human beings, not like herds of cattle.<<
Yes,your ancients had done -make blacks as animals.

2.>>Give ALL the citizens of china the freedom of expression, freedom
of thought, freedom of religion, and freedom of movement in
any part of the country<<
need time,no one believe that Roma was built in one day.

3>>Do not allow your government to hide from criticism and from
press, where ever they may be from<<
you need also ask your government not to hide .

4>>Give citizens reproductive freedoms. Reproductive freedom coupled with freedoms discussed above will take care of the population "problem". There is absolutely no need for the chinese communist government to interfere in the bedroom or have its hands on every one's crotch.<<
you don't know China,you must ask your medias to report justice and objuective.

5>>Give the citizens the right to VOTE so they can throw the rascals oput whenever there is a public sentiment for it.<<
Again you don't know China,

6>>Treat all citizens with equality. The Mongols, the Manchus, and even the subjects from Tibet and Xinjiang with the respect that is due any human being. Let them be part of china because they want to, and not because they are prisoners of china.<<
Again you don't know China, if your information came from your medias ,please you ask them to give you the truth.

7>>Give all ethnic minorities the freedom to choose whom they are governed by, and even to secede if they so desire. <<
you can ask your government do that please.we will not do.

8>>Give up extra-territorial claims merely because the people elsewhere resemble the chinese superficially.<<
sorry ,you don't know China, htere are 56 ethnics in China and have lived together from a long long time.of course if you think there must be the same faces in ome country,you can ask your governmet do that things.

>>I could go on and on. These are basic freedoms that people enjoy in the west.

There is no special "chinese" brand of human rights. Those rights as we all know are the ones which were developed in the west based on experience which, in the past might have been brutal.<<

i know you can and i also know freedoms of you west,but you may not know why the basic freedom can be only happened in the west.
no ,you don't China,of course, you don't know our rights developing road too.

we thank you for care us thought you know little us.thank you very much

China is a sleeping lion! We'd better not wake him up!

There is an old saying that a prostitute who can not dance will blame the dance floor. When you can not win an argument, your fake argument is that we in the west "do not know" or "do not understand". This is pure unadulterated bull.

Basic human nature is the same everywhere. Fundamental principles governing political structures are the same. china is no different from any other country. And china is not any more special than any other country. You can not throw your weight around like a schoolyard bully.

If you blame us for your misunderstanding of these fundamental truths, you are condemned to live in china in physical as well as spiritual suffocation.

>>What is the usage of a King/Queen in today's modern society? Why are the King/Queen and his/her family costing so much tax payer's money?<<

There isn't one really. She has a few ceremonial duties in the UK and around the Commonwealth. I guess I like having the monarchy as a reminder of the political system Britain developed, it's something we can be proud of as a nation

As for the money - the major royals don't cost that much. The Queen pays a lot of tax, the Duchy of Cornwall makes a profit without taking public money, as does the Principality of Wales. We could trim the list of people who receive public money and I'd be happy, but I'm not that upset with the current situation.

>>can you vote to select a King or Queen for UK<<

Not in the UK, but we can vote for the person who actually holds power, which puts us centuries ahead of China.

Also, Elizabeth the 2nd, as I'm sure you're aware, is head of state of around 50 different countries. Australia has had a couple of votes to decide whether to lose her, and they chose to keep her. India held the same decision and decided to become a republic and depose her as head of state. So while the UK hasn't yet, there's always the possibility.

>>The war made millions dead which was the biggest human rights catastrophe.<<

I can think of many, many worse. Like the "Cultural" revolution. Or the ongoing denial of basic human rights to 1.5 billion people. There are others of course, but those are the two that spring to mind quickest.

>>There is an old saying that a prostitute who can not dance will blame the dance floor. When you can not win an argument, your fake argument is that we in the west "do not know" or "do not understand". This is pure unadulterated bull. <<
that is your right.we just talk about the fact.

>>Basic human nature is the same everywhere. Fundamental principles governing political structures are the same. china is no different from any other country. And china is not any more special than any other country. You can not throw your weight around like a schoolyard bully.<<
Basic human nature do be the same everywhere.but it is not the fundamental principles governing political structures. it is also different of you and me to understand basic human nature.

>>If you blame us for your misunderstanding of these fundamental truths, you are condemned to live in china in physical as well as spiritual suffocation.<<
no, i have never blamed you,just some of you,because they have not objective for reporting.of course there were really some misunderstanding between you and us ,so you need know nore us ,the same to us.

I suppose, in communist china a fact is anything which the government says and you believe it at the barrel of a gun (remember your hero, thye cousin of Saddam, Mao).

You blamed us for "not understanding" and "not knowing" china. Seems like your government has sucked every chinese brain.

If communist china is such a great country to live, why is it that they beg to come to countries like US, UK, Australia, and in fact every corner of the world? If all chinese people outside china were forced to move back to china, guess what would happen?

A frog in a small well does not know much about the world. communist china is a small well with over a billion frogs.

>> I suppose, in communist china a fact is anything which the government says and you believe it at the barrel of a gun (remember your hero, thye cousin of Saddam, Mao). <<

Again, come to China and see by your own eyes, if you never came, please do not say 'suppose', 'believe'... what made you western people great was not their supposes, however it was their spirit of fact finding. I am very sorry to say your impression of China stayed still in 1950s. If you don't want to come or have no interests in China, that is your loss not ours.

>> A frog in a small well does not know much about the world. communist china is a small well with over a billion frogs. <<
I think in every country there are small wells and such frogs under the wells. When you say others are frogs in a small well, you yourself are being that kind of frog.

You can expunge "suppose from my remarks; it will only make my statement stronger. It is preposterous to say that any one who wants to say anything about communist china must visit china.

I do not have to see it with my own eyes. I can see through the eyes that I trust. And those eyes are not that of communbist china, but western journalists who do not have an axe to grind.

My impression of china is not frozen in the 50s. I have many good chinese friends, like chinese food (although I have minimised eating it recently since I do not want to be accidentally poisoned; I do eat chinese food at friends' homes), and keep in touch with the affairs there.

I do have an abiding interests about communist china because its actions and machinations frighten me.

I will visit china when it starts respecting its own citizens regardless of ethnicity, religion,.... Until then, I'll enjoy seeing the country through videos.

Yes I am a frog, but I have jumped around many wells across the world, and have visited only countries where I could express my opinions without fear of retribution. I even have visited some erstwhile communist countries in east Europe. But china, I will not, for I don't want to be the involuntary guest of the communist government.

>>I suppose, in communist china a fact is anything which the government says and you believe it at the barrel of a gun (remember your hero, thye cousin of Saddam, Mao).<<
why do you believe here anything the government says and why you believe i believe it at the barriel of a gun. also why you believe we will make Mao as a hero without wrong? in my minds Mao just a great leader ,one of the many leaders in our long history, with lots of mistake.

>>You blamed us for "not understanding" and "not knowing" china. Seems like your government has sucked every chinese brain.<<
again, i noly say my understand and a fact,the fact is you really know little of us.do you think that i am blaming you?

>>If communist china is such a great country to live, why is it that they beg to come to countries like US, UK, Australia, and in fact every corner of the world? If all chinese people outside china were forced to move back to china, guess what would happen?<<
no , i never say "great",if you think our country is great ,that's your rights.i believe every country is equal and so his people .but their lifestyles are different. you said some of us lefe china to western countries,these werw their rights and their choices.like me,mostly us are living in China,that's my choice and rights.

>>A frog in a small well does not know much about the world. communist china is a small well with over a billion frogs.<<
that's right,also,the western countries are lots of small well with over a billion frogs.

>> Yes I am a frog, but I have jumped around many wells across the world, and have visited only countries where I could express my opinions without fear of retribution. I even have visited some erstwhile communist countries in east Europe. But china, I will not, for I don't want to be the involuntary guest of the communist government.<<

Again, if you have read my another post (Tibet, Human Right, and Nation Integrity) you should know my stance more clearly. But let me explain it again here:

First, please do not equal China/Chinese to Communist Party, the Party is not that powerful as you imagine. If you have interests in China but don't want to come to China because of Communist Party, then what a pity. What's more, don't forget that Communism came to China from Germany, we Chinese today are still suffering from the Communism invented by European people - it's unfair to us Chinese. You bear the responsibility.

Second, I myself traveled to a lot of countries, USA, Europe..., I am not a frog. What I want to say is that - if you are a real human right advocate, you should not fear this and that, you should encourage yourself, be filled with braveness, to enter the land where there are people you want to save, not just post your remarks on Internet.

Blah blah blah blah

Thank you so much for admitting that chinese and communist party are not the same.

When is it that the views of chinese is so one-dimensional?

I was not blaming all chinese people for the misdeeds of the communists. But then have the chinese people ever tried to question the government? Why did even the intelligentia tolerate Mao's cultural revolution? Why are they sitting still while the government tramples over the freedoms of all chinese people?

Communism as an idea was invented in Germany and Britain, but the Russians tried to perfect it with little success. The chinese perfected the idea in its most pernicious mode.

You still have not answered my question, let me rephrase it: why
is it that there are more chinese in just about any country in the world than there are people from the rest of the world in china?

The fact that a sizable chinese population finds living outside china more attractive tells something about the place. Given more frreedom, many of them would return to china, and they are likely to be the intelligentia.

>> I was not blaming all chinese people for the misdeeds of the communists. <<
But in fact it appears that Western world are blaming all Chinese (listen to CNN's remark!), so Chinese people's feelings are being hurt, and are being pushed to be with CCP closer.

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>>But then have the chinese people ever tried to question the government? <<
Everyday. People have been questioning CCP and government, there is certain level of freedom here. Don't think people who have been defending China for Tibet are those fully agree with CCP.

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>>Why did even the intelligentia tolerate Mao's cultural revolution? Why are they sitting still while the government tramples over the freedoms of all chinese people?<<
Again, please don't stay still at the times of Mao, did you ever know other leaders of China? Mao times have passed away long long ago, nowadays people don't quote Mao anymore. People are not sitting still, but if you hit the most sensitive nerve of China's nation integrity, people have to turn against you.

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>>You still have not answered my question, let me rephrase it: why
is it that there are more chinese in just about any country in the world than there are people from the rest of the world in china?<<
>>The fact that a sizable chinese population finds living outside china more attractive tells something about the place. Given more frreedom, many of them would return to china, and they are likely to be the intelligentia.<<
Really a good question. You will know why people like today's CCP to certain extent. People have been finding livings outside China because China was too poor! Don't imagine that all of them left China for freedom. That's why CCP and government have been working so hard on China's economy - China GDP growth have been keeping around 10% in last 30 years! That makes less and less people want to emigrate - this is the fact I am seeing by my own eyes. It is not because of freedom, it is only a matter of living standard.
Did you ever have an eye on Iraq? People are finding livings outside of Iraq because of what? Better living standard, safer place. Don't you think there is already a freedom in Iraq? Why do they still want to leave their homeland?

>>The fact that a sizable chinese population finds living outside china more attractive tells something about the place. Given more frreedom, many of them would return to china, and they are likely to be the intelligentia.<<
I wanted to add more here, today China although economy is booming, the average living condition is still very poor, GDP per capital is far low (1/10 of those developed countries), that explains why people are still going on their way to the world. But it is not mainly for freedom, please be reminded again. People go outside China mainly for looking for job or business opportunities, like why you white people are spreaded all over the world, right? Why there are so many British and French in other parts of the world? Did British or French left their homeland for having human right? India is another example, although the are freedom and democracy in their homeland, Indians keep going toward western world for better opportunities.
By the way, history again - Chinese people were already reaching far to east Africa coasts during Ming Dynasty (AD1400), while Spanish and Portuguese were still in search of sea route to neighboring west Africa coasts.

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Of course, I do not doubt that some chinese escaping from there are economic refugees. However, others have different motives: some move because of lack of freedoms, some for business reasons, and some, more importantly, to spy for the government in china (with all the chinese spies caught in the USA.

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You got to be kidding to think that you have freedoms enough to question the chinese government. Look at what is happening in Tibet and Xinjiang.

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I am not stuck in the era of Mao. But what is mind boggling to us is the lemming-like behaviour of ordinary chinese who have been programmed to follow the party line.

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No one is questioning china's national integrity, we are only questioning china's land-grabbing and raping the lands they have usurped.

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It is silly to bring up red herrings like Iraq, Northern Ireland, and what have you. This is a forum about Tibet and China and NOT about those other lands. You have a right to express your thoughts on those lands, but you should post your thoughts on H2G2 forums on Iraq or Northern Ireland, and not here.

The people here in China are experiencing better life than ever before.
The Country of course have some problems, just as other countries, but we are improving.
the Fact here in China is that the majority, ( i think can be 80% more) are supporting CCP and our government. So, i am happy to tell my oversea Chinese that don't worry---there is no any chance to the separist.

Poor English is my worry currently only.

China is becoming powerful day by day, that is fact.

Thanks for UK's invasion to Tibet and War against China in 1840, I know the great England gentleman was targeting to give chinese better,but the result looks not so good!
many chinese go outside , it is true, but we have 1.3billon people, the ratio is , you can calculate your self.
we agree that we are a school of frogs, but 1.3 billion frogs prefer to sit in one well.
Thanks for your concern of our country, but never again!

HUMAN RIGHTS OF DALAI is good for English people,for the evidence
just go to website www.dalai-liar.com
the instrument for ceremany made human parts is so-called human rights of dalai.

It is great that chinese economy is doing very well and that the chinese people are much better off economically. The chinese in the rest of the world are free to leave and return to china whenever they want. But don't chain the lands and people in the chinese empire who do not want to be in it.

For heaven's sake leave the rest of the world alone, and do not pull the rest of the world (non-frogs), especially Tibet and Xinjiang, into your well, against their wishes.

And don't send us your poisons.