A Conversation for Liverpool's Slave Traders
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Secretly Not Here Any More Started conversation Apr 17, 2004
Liverpool: 'city without peer in the 19th and 20th Centuries.'
Now as a Mancunian, I have to challenge that statement....
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frenchbean Posted Apr 18, 2004
'Peer' doesn't mean 'friend' in any definition surely?
I'm sorry, but Liverpool is an amazing city, even in the 21st Century. The view of the city centre from the Mersey is stunning: the architectural setting is beyond belief. I love it
Manchester's just a grubby little inland place isn't it?
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Secretly Not Here Any More Posted Apr 18, 2004
Ahh, but Manchester is the cultural centre of the universe! All the bands we've produced, and you've had one, The Beatles.
Artists like Lowry are from Manchester and it's suburbs!
Oh, and the scum(tm) win titles at football, whereas Liverpool FC and Everton are pants.
Face it, Manchester is superior to Liverpool in so many ways!
And let's think about it for a minute, the stereotypical 'Mad Ferrit' is a much better phrase than 'Calm Down *wave arms*' or "Dey do do dat dere doh don't dey doh la'?' !!
And the only thing the Mersey's good for is filling out revolutionary ship canal!
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Researcher 178815 Posted Apr 18, 2004
Cultural centre of the Universe? I hope that's exaggerating. You'll surely not find the cultural 'centre' of the Universe in Manchester - even in the UK - it's a bit of a broad statement. Speaking as one born in Liverpool by the way, the whole Capital of Culture thing baffles me; I have no idea how the city won it at all. Although in the City Centre I have noticed recently 'cultural' music 'acts' as it were - there was some guy drumming out on an indian drum in Williamson Square (for those who know the area) the other week - but I don't think that counts.
Artists like Lowry don't get heard of.
Artists like the Beatles are over-rated, no matter how great they were. They may have been absolutely brilliant, but I think some people think too much of them. And yes I acknowledge that they were good and I like most of the Beatles songs I know - I just don't think they match up to what a few people seem to think of them. (Remember, I haven't said I think they were rubbish).
It's strange though how people do use the same points when arguing Manchester V Liverpool - always music acts and Football. And it's always the Beatles that get mentioned - odd that it seems to stop there and progress no further - there have been other mainstream Liverpool bands since the Beatles.
It seems like you have a sort of grudge against the City, possibly fuelled by traditional rivalry and probably football - maybe. I gave up trying to follow football years ago, and think nothing more or less of Manchester than it deserves - so maybe it is just a football thing.
That kind of thing can make you bitter though; just some personal advice. Oh, and preferring your own regional stereotype to another city's - not the greatest thing; You should bar out regional stereotypes as soon as they get past the regional accent. Any further than that, and you're on a straight road to getting a totally distorted view of people from that area. For instance, Manchester isn't full of Noel 'Mad for iiit' Gallagher types, is it? And no, 'Mad ferrit' is no more a phrase to be proud of than 'Dey do do don't dey doh'.
But anyway - good Article - I remember studying the Slave Trade in History class at school - and I don't recall even going over the City's significance as it's portrayed here. Well done. And indeed, the view of the city skyline from the River is quite stunning - particularly at night when all's lit.
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