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Post 4321

Dmitri Gheorgheni

Ah, beautiful pics, thank you. smiley - biggrin

Just think, if we set off at the speed of light, we'd get there in 1400 years. It might have settled down by then...smiley - whistle


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Post 4322

cactuscafe

heheh. I'm in. Let's pack tonight.


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Post 4323

ITIWBS

Kepler 452b, I agree with the official estimate of its surface gravity, about twice Earth normal, which places it near the limit for inhabitability.

Rats, at any rate, adapt successfully to a 2 G environment.

It might be rather difficult for older people to adapt.

It might also be a developmental problem for children, especially during gestation and their early devopmental years.

No reason though, why it couldn't be healthy for particularly adults between 21 and 42 years of age inclusive.

I'd want to support a colonial effort with an O'Niell type space habitat (you'll need one anyway to make interstellar colonial voyage) serving among other purposes as a childbirth and child development center and well as a retirement community.




Given its size and terrestrial character, its probably a water world with a depth greater than the terrestrial ocean and few or no landmasses emerging from the sea.

Doesn't necessarily have to be, though.




smiley - biggrin If nought else, might well support a whale and bowl of petunias.

Whales, on account of the bouyant character of the sea don't need to as concerned as land dwelling life forms about the gravity.

A global ocean doesn't have to be salt and might be fresh enough to support the petunias.


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Post 4324

cactuscafe

Hullo ITI!

Interesting Kepler 452b visions! Thankyou!

I reckon the interface between science fiction and science fact will be abuzz with this one.

smiley - coffee

Interesting word, interface. I'm never quite sure what it means. Did it change meaning with the onset of computer culture? Or did computer culture just steal the word and an existing concept?

There's Interzone, which I associate with Burroughs, but that always seemed like a seedy science fiction border town. Must check what Interzone is, separate from its Burroughs connotations.

Interface, to me, also suggests a bordertown, or borderline, but not like Interzone, not solid images, more like an energy field, where systems or concepts or cultures or thought processes meet and interact and go through changes.

smiley - coffee

Arranges petunias smiley - petunias and thinks about the future. smiley - rofl

smiley - coffee

I just checked what an O'Neill space habitat is. Because I don't really know anything smiley - rofl, I like to see what pictures come to me before I find out what things really are.

I was almost right, but I think the O'Neill concept is more viable. smiley - rofl

I envisaged a retirement community in a huge metallic disc-shaped structure, with amazing star-viewing windows in the ceiling, and fish and whale viewing windows in the floor, like an aquarium. I'm not sure if it's floating in space or water, seems to be a bit of both, stars above, water below.

That's your fault, the bit about the whales. smiley - rofl

There are silver doors in the walls leading to anterooms containing comfy armchairs and flashing neon sculptures/entities with speakers, with vases of petunias placed on top of them, in a slightly arty, bohemian fashion. smiley - petunias

Plug in the headphones, settle into an armchair and flip through the infinite music menu (cosmic jukeboxe!) heheh.

The fact that I saw myself in this establishment, 102 yrs old, wearing lime green flared loons and a knitted tanktop is a bit of a setback. 70s in space. smiley - rofl

smiley - coffee

Strange thing. I think this retirement disc is a thoughtform. It can become whatever you want it to be. Because the lady in the armchair next to me thinks she's in a guest house in Stromness, a place she loved very much in her life, with vases of petunias on the window sill, along with photographs of her life. smiley - petunias









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Post 4325

ITIWBS

The O'Neill type habitat envisioned for Earth-Luna L5, making an equilateral triangle with the Earth and Moon, trailing the Moon in its orbit, envisioned as drum between 3 and 4 times its diameter in length and perhaps 20 miles or so in diameter, will orient itself along its long axis with the center of gravity of the system, the Earth itself, on account a process called libration.

The smaller centripetal artificial gravity wheel, which needs to be about a mile and a third in diameter to produce an artificial gravity physiologically indistinguishable from Earth normal will tend to keep its orientation as it orbits, so that on one side of its orbit, one axis will be facing the Earth, edge on a quarter of the way around its orbit, its other axis facing the planet half way around and edge on again at 3/4.

Space colonies of this type can be located as close as about twice geostationary altitude and can also serve as ideal interplanetary colonial population movers, carrying everything essential to operation of a industrial space colony aboard.

http://www.nss.org/settlement/L5news/L5history.htm

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/life-unbounded/watch-the-first-artificial-gravity-experiment/

https://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/exercise-artificial-gravity-space-0702





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Post 4326

ITIWBS

Ooops! I didn't notice that pesky 's'.

http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/exercise-artificial-gravity-space-0702


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Post 4327

cactuscafe

wowzum, ITI! This is an entire culture, a happening, a situation. I shall peruse these links and become several million times wiser. Splendid!

h2g2 is the school of the world and the otherworld and all the worlds that exist between the world and the otherworld, the inner and the outer, the yin and the yang the this and the that.

smiley - coffee

And all this goes on, inventions take shape, new worlds are discovered, genius becomes manifest, while I write pieces of non-writing about green ooze. smiley - rofl. I have no life.

I'll make it into a (most definitely not for review) guide entry, smiley - rofl, simply so I can change it around, if the interface between the There and the Here turns out to be not what I thought it was. Or if I take a liking to spinach and watercress smoothies. smiley - rofl Then I'll have to change the end.


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Post 4328

cactuscafe



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Post 4329

minorvogonpoet

I'm sceptical about the retirement community. I can just imagine it. When you get to a certain age, they invite you to a grand party in the retirement community. You sit on comfortable chairs, while assistants ply you with food smiley - redwine and smiley - bubbly. Towards the end of the party, they slip something into the wine. Then it's just a case of disposing of the bodies. smiley - skull


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Post 4330

ITIWBS

I'm not so sure that a 2 gravity environment would continue to be sustainable much after 42 (I'm serious about that age, it marks a critical stage, the end of youth. Senescent changes begin about 14 years later).

Gravity control is technically possible only in outer space.

There one can adjust it to pretty much whatever one likes.

So at 42, one starts a second career in the space colony.


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Post 4331

cactuscafe

Sounds like a classic mvp story in the making. smiley - rofl With ITI as scientific advisor.


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Post 4332

ITIWBS

MVP?




http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jul/23/kepler-452b-alien-life-search


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Post 4333

ITIWBS

Aftetthoughts; that Kepler 452b is markedly older than the Earth increases the chance that it may have evolved intelligence and civilization; it so much older than the Earth that civilization may have come and gone; Hal Clement's paradox operates: The rate of technological advancement is so high that the period over which two civilizations are near enough the level of technological sophistication to allow communication may be comparatively brief.

On the last, we're seeing a development of the character already, with fiberoptic tele-communication cables replacing older electrical conduction systems.

While with the latter, they generate electronic noise in the ELF wave band potentially detectable over interstellar distances, fiberoptic cables of themselves produce no electronic noise.


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Post 4334

cactuscafe

Hullo ITI! Fibre optic tele-communication cables? Interesting. All I know about things fibre optic are those lovely fibre optic Christmas trees smiley - rofl, so I'm hearing a kind of lit up communication coming through the cable.

smiley - redwine

What?? Civilisation on Kepler 452b may have come and gone already?? Now I'm definitely going to have weird dreams tonight. smiley - rofl.

Already I just saw an entire civilisation appear and disappear in what seemed like less than a second. At first I saw the silouettes of a thousand million winged thoughtforms, and maybe a few bats smiley - bat flitting through acropolis type pillars, but that's just my imagination being quite stupid.

(Hmm, i did like those winged thoughtforms. Perhaps they could replace The Green Ooze smiley - rofl (I'm reinventing my masterwork Guide Entry, because it got too stupid even for me, even though it made me laugh at three in the morning.)

Imagine that though, back to what we were talking about. Adds a different perspective to the 'is there anybody out there?' question. Well, son, there was an entire civilisation out there, in fact, many civilisations, even while we watch the stars, civilisations are falling and renewing.

smiley - redwine


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Post 4335

Elektragheorgheni -Please read 'The Post'

The new issue of smiley - thepost is up, with MVP's song parody in it, check it out!


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