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and maybe a christmas email or I am being to pushy

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Don't let a couple of idiots make you leave Ed!

Just sent a wee email, Ed.

Don't do it. Deep breath and count to ten. OK, you are still pissed off but at least you can continue to fight the good fight.

Please.

I hope you don't go, or you come back after a break

I missed whatever happened here. Be well, Ed.

TRiG.

For those who missed the storm and are interested in the feelings of a friend: I�m in Brunel and the links doesn�t show, anyway, this thread is the one about juvenile tastes: From post 55 to 80 http://www.h2g2.com/dna/h2g2/brunel/F19585?thread=8292491&skip=40&show=20 Later, in another thread, post 51-54: http://www.h2g2.com/dna/h2g2/brunel/F19585?thread=8292955&post=110607161#p110607161 ( the signature dish) Ed leaves a message to Peanuts and me , now yikesed, in which he says that the man was being a tw�t as usual. That word is mentioned later by the man in that thread of the signature dish, posts 82--- Ed asked the man for respect, first in that same thread, he says to both men to leave it. Later Eds leaves a message to the man, to which he gave him this answer: http://www.h2g2.com/dna/h2g2/brunel/F2264199?thread=8293080 ( it�s in the PS of swl) This is my opinion, so you can stop reading. I really don�t understand why so much nastiness towards Ed. It�s obvious he�s wounded, and somehow tired of some people who by default attack him or make �silly innocent comments�, but those little grains of sand amount to a dune by now. I hope he shakes off all the dust and come back soon. He gives salt and pepper to this place, offers interesting points of view, tasty links about readings, etc. And NEVER I found a bit o nastiness about him. He is a compasionate man� you all know that, he steps in an offers a hand to people who feel awful, Remember Strangely Strange? Ed is always empathic with people. He�s a sensitive man. I�m sad, and don�t think Ed has overreacted, it�s hard to be insulted, then your daughter, and also your parenting style. SWL has overstepped many lines. I�m amazed to see how people behave as if nothing had happened. A community is for the sweet and for the hard, at least in my book of life. And when they are for the hard, there should be a bit of solidarity toward the person affected, and also a bit of indiference, at least for a while , towards the person who has acted wrongly. But that�s my opinion and after all this is just a web, no? Well, for me is part of real life too. I don�t see your faces, but I can feel you, and sometimes even more than someone could think because the medium is the written word, and words have soul, and are arms charged with love and hate. I�m getting emotional. I�ll leave it here.

Hi Maria, Those links don't seem to be working. Here they are in alabaster: http://h2g2.com/dna/h2g2/alabaster/F19585?thread=8292491&skip=40&show=20 http://h2g2.com/dna/h2g2/alabaster/F19585?thread=8292955&post=110607161#p110607161 http://h2g2.com/dna/h2g2/alabaster/F19585?thread=8292955&post=110607161#p110607161

Completely agree that they stepped over the line. Not acceptable behaviour.

Maria, I also experience Ed as a sensitive man, who is not nasty, and who brings many good things to this site. I hope he comes back. He's not an angel though, and plays with the dynamics of the hardcore debaters as much as the rest of us, and like most of us gets burnt from time to time.

I agree with you that SWL has been nasty in this instance, even by his usual standards. I'm hesitant to say too much because I think the moderation system is not working well and there is a much larger degree of intolerance for discussing this since we left the bbc.

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I´m amazed to see how people behave as if nothing had happened. A community is for the sweet and for the hard, at least in my book of life. And when they are for the hard, there should be a bit of solidarity toward the person affected, and also a bit of indiference, at least for a while , towards the person who has acted wrongly.
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I like how you put that. I think there is solidarity here for Ed, but because the community is at a low ebb, it is confined to the PSs. Also, it is undermined by the moderation model we are now using.

>>Also, it is undermined by the moderation model we are now using.

Hmmm, I'll rephrase that: Also, it is undermined by the moderation model that is now being used on us.

btw, I completely understand you being emotional about this. You are a good friend to Ed, and I appreciate you taking the time to explain what happened and post the links.

I am not a moderator.
But I am a volunteer, and it pains me to see that people leave because of conflict.

I only ask you to yikes the nasty posts so that the moderators are able to deal with it - no reports, no change. Please, do that for all of us.

Beacuse I am a volunteer, although just listing bugs, I dare not butt into the conversations you mention, so I ask of you to help here. Your reports about bad behaviour will send messages to the whole community about what is tolerable, and to the moderators what the community thinks. It goes both ways, but we need anyone who finds a bad post to report it.

Please help with this.

As the father of three daughters, I can relate quite a bit to Ed. My reaction is to be even less engaged in this site, which is I know not the 'right' thing to do. Never the less, here I am- less willing to suffer fools and people who don't accept standards of decency and ethics.

Milla, as far as I know Ed did yikes a post that he found offensive. But it wasn't removed. His post was removed, the one where he called the other person a tw*t. (Someone please correct me if I got that wrong).

Some of us have been watching moderation issues for a long time, both bbc and post bbc, and are feeling like what we have now is not working very well. If I was in Ed's position I probably wouldn't even bother going through the moderation process now, because it's a slap in the face if/when they get it so wrong.

I also think that the amount of work expected of researchers in tracking problem behaviour and reporting it is unreasonable given that the current system is not responding well to onsite problems.

I'm not criticising individual moderators here btw. I think the problem is in the system.

You got that right Kea

Ed didn't leave because of this one incident, it was a case of 'too many trolls'

I'm sorry to hear that.

Kindest regards

Just heard about this. He didn't even end with a song.

http://www.h2g2.com/dna/h2g2/brunel/F2264199?thread=8293203&show=20&skip=0#pi14