h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Apologies. My thoughts aren't on the right attention track at the moment. I swear I get ADHD sometimes.

Those girls will grow out of it. They seemed too Christian based and too young to really know what they were thinking. Look at me...I was still listening to Celine Dion and the Spice girls at that age...

The problem that I have with paganism these days, is that people who call themselves pagan don't seem to have any kind of relation to the roots that they profess to come from. Satanism and the occult come from paganism. If people were pagans today, there would be bloodshed, there would be all kinds of ancient rituals that have long since died out. In my opinion of course. But there aren't. I don't profess to have an ancient way of living my life. Mine is modern thinking and I'm proud of it. If you want to be a pagan (not directed specifically at you my dear ) then you get your butt outside and go and live in te f***ing woods. Thats where paganism is. They didn't have nice houses with central heating. They didn't have jobs in society. They were hermits, people in the woods, people who carved and thought, and communed with nature. If you don't do that, then you aren't a bloody pagan in my book. Thats what does my head in. Pretending to be something you're not. If you are living something modern, give it a modern name!! Don't pretend to be estorical and suchlike if you aren't. No offence, but the majority of people in the "pagan" subsection that I have come across have profess to be "sensitive" and full of love and peace and the suchlike, but as far as I could see, they were stupid and dull people...*yawns*

Just random thoughts really. I am all over the place right now. Need an anchor!

(oooh, N'Awlins!)

You're out o' the woods now. (imagines secret Spice Girl relapses in quiet corners)

That's the thing, when I use the word 'pagan' which I do when a name is called for, otherwise I say nowt- I mean, not a member of an organised hierarchical religion (prob. monotheistic). I don't want to follow anything prehistoric beyond reading mythology, I want to make it my own. I would like pagans today- the drippy, we're so ancient ones at least- to acknowledge that their thinking is modern, and they should accept it. Rejoice in it even, for having come up with something new. I would never want to go back to how it was in the past (as far as we can tell) because it was rotten. The closest they got to worship was 'Yup, it's gettn' cold' or 'Sun's out' and dealt accordingly with animals, grain etc. Who'd want that today? well, a few, and they can keep it. No 'wise women' or cunning men in fancy robes. No carved magical knives or sacred pendants or elaborate stone circle dances or grimoires or anything colourful, anything not essential to survival. Today we can have all that n' more, so go nuts! I say, anyway. I agree with you in that sense, 'cept I regard all this ancient-link stuff to be a justification based on bad research (damn that Margaret Murray! and Fraser may tell a good tale, but for accuracy...)
I don't pretend to be 'sensitive' or peaceful about everything, all the time. Some things I am not bothered by. Somethings I get very angry about. If I think something is pre-ordained, meant to happen (fate and that, which is scarcely ever) I keep it to myself, rather than upsetting someone who's, for instance, just lost their baby, by saying 'Twas never meant to be, we labour in the darkness etc'. I will say what is relevent but as my (non-ancient) paganism is based very much in life, as opposed to outside it (I don't believe in external powers either, 'good'/'evil' come from the person), what is part of my faith or my approach to life is the same. If that follows.

Justin gave a big clue to his thinking when he dissed 'society'. I think, all things considered, this point in time is a pretty good one to be alive.

*big sigh*

Unfortunately, I seem to have been getting the bad end of pagans right now, so I'm not sure whether I should offer any more opinions on that whole scope. People seem to be sadly proving my points (when I know pagans are nice people) and I cannot be bothered to make enemies on here. It is childish. I will say this : pagans are no kinder/wiser/more in touch with nature and/or other people than anyone else. Not to offend you (although I wouldn't bother talking to you if I thought you were anywhere near dull) but as far as I'm concerned it is a bunch of pansying whining persecution complexed nonsense. The first sentence out of a pagan's mouth is *paganism is not Satanism*, despite not knowing what Satanism is, and frankly, I am sick and tired of the whole lot of them. Makes me focus too heavily on religion as a core piece of life, which I don't believe it should be.

Anyway. I don't mean to offend people, it's just some people are offended by the least amount of opposition. The amount of times I have been called unintelligent.

*big sigh*

Apologies. Needed to offload frustration. Hope I didn't offend (you are a nice h2g2 person)...

hmm, I saw that thread...

I like to hear opinions. I don't often get them on this topic. I had one Researcher who said they had major 'issues' with Wicca, but declined to tell me what they actually were. My problem with it- its practice, not its actual beliefs or members- is that it tries too hard to be 'real'. Hence all the ancient stuff (recurring theme I know, but...)

Some pagans are horrible. That 'King of the Witches' is certainly a fool. I reckon pagans are more likely to *think* about nature, i.e. notice what shape the moon is and other things, but then if they are not visual personalities, they won't do. I suppose you could get left-brained pagans who are well into meteorology. I dislike the idea that any religion confers special status on someone, makes them different. I have *nothing but derision* for anyone on a fingerpointing crusade, be they arguing against evil Satanists breeding children for sacrifice... or malign pagans luring innocent folk into our midst... or confusing the two and looking even more stupid than they did before. I prefer to laugh at this rather than go all persecuted. I will say, 'Wrong, on many counts', but if they refuse to listen, I will leave them to it. Now, if they started throwing things at me or abusing me in the street, I might turn that evil reputation to my advantage.
I have a major grudge against stupidity in newspapers. (Like, they stir up all this unrest about asylum seekers, then are up in arms when the BNP is voted in somewhere. ) And every single time there is a slightly dubious murder (i.e for more complex reasons than usual), committed by an adolescent, there are 'Black Magic overtones' and 'Satanic themes' or even 'mysterious death cults headed by obscure painters' (the Anglesey 'vampire' killer was interested in Frida Kahlo's work, which ain't obscure by any means... sorry if I am repeating.) I have a truly *outstanding* book on Scandinavian Black Metal in all its confusing Satanic-Asatru-nationalist-fascist glory, which covers several of these and reveals them to be none of those things. (I see you are for the WM3. Another case of jail the weirdo. It is for things like that I sometimes feel persecuted- not helped by years of schooltime abuse- rather than my beliefs.)
I have looked at Satanism quite a bit, and feel no need to distance myself from it. There is plenty there that I agree with, and many others would too since paganism does not really have any teachings about life. I base mine on various responsibilities (but it's not som't you think of consciously). Of course I have nowt but spit for the daft Christian reversal practiced by mockGoths, and if someone confuses me with that they will receive a hollow laugh. I think it is a thoroughly decent philosophy. I am really fascinated by the 'Satanic' child abuse scares (a reason I do not support the NSPCC.) and am wary of the same thing happening with, say, young 'outsiders' in nonstandard clothes who like to pretend things. (Which is why I read Chick tracts and the Daily Mail. Delightful...)

Well, that whole thread just did my head in...to use a scummy phrase...I wasn't attempting to attack one person. Just sick of the whining. I may be for the WM3 organisation (real persecution) but I certainly don't go around acting like a kicked dog. And neither do the people involved. I've seen sh*t worse than anyone should see. But I don't go around whining about it. And then this stupid whiny thread pops up, about some STUPID irrelevant little convention, that was just being picketed by a bunch of ignorant little Christians. With "everything" I know about real people suffering; facing death...I'm sorry if I offend people, but that whiny little persecution complex p*sses me off like nothing else. Except maybe the improper use of the word "hotting" but that's another story . And the reaction of the people on that thread proved my point perfectly...

I'm certainly not going to brand all pagans with that stick. But so far, I have yet to come across a person who doesn't parade it around like a badge and then utter the immortal line "We aren't Satanists...we don't even believe in the devil"...

I mean...I don't behave like that!! My Satanist sliver of me, is like a very very thin line running through my life. It doesn't reach all parts sometimes!

And to be *told* what Satanism was (incorrectly I may add) alongside all of it...pft...why bother.

I have nowt but spit and many other bodily functions for the Christian-Satanists too...how can you champion Satan if you take it from a Christian text? Satanism is about lack of rules, and creativity! Modifying the world to suit you, and not the other way around! Opposition, not reversal!

The book that informed me the most about the farce that was the Satanic "ritual" abuse circus, was Jean La Fontaine's publishing. And I'll be damned (boom-boom) if I can remember the title of it. Nip over to my comments on the Satanism article, and you'll find it...alongside a few other recommended books...

*ooh...I'm feeling verbal tonight*...It's very odd. Recently, I've felt like I have a better grip on what I know about this subject. I never feel like I *know* everything that I can.

*sigh*

But that whole thread. Felt like battering them all. Maybe I didn't make it clear enough that I wasn't commenting about paganism, but rather the whiny behaviour they seemed to exhibit when it came to the persecution complex. Ironically enough...my thoughts were proven to be true. I find that a little disheartening...being young, I find I am still shaping my opinions and beliefs, defining them better. People like that do not help.

'Speak of the Devil.'


I couldn't care less if people know I am pagan or not. If it were important to me, it certainly wouldn't be to them (unless relevent to the conversation.)
I have the same reaction to people who, in the middle of a brief exchange about, say, pie, announce 'I'm a Christian'.'
Well, what the fadge do you say to that? it comes totally out of the sky like a defunct space station, and you can either settle for 'Well, that's certainly irrelevent' and have them be insulted, or go 'Hmmm, how nice' or similar and then spend the rest of your time skirting round it. I was in the middle of an hour-long car journey, to be repeated weekly, when the driver (and a bad one, I might add) stated she was an Evangelical. And I had just said, 'you have to be careful, with these religious types...' She turned out to be a loathsome example. She would not let her (as yet un-conceived) children watch The Simpsons. She didn't laff at 2DTV and 'neither shoud we'. If she had a baby, she explained, she would have to get rid of her cat since 'they've been known to suffocate babies'.
ahhh, the wicked cats... steal your breath...
etc. I could therefore talk about nothing beyond inane natter with her, mainly cos I didn't want to lose my lift but mostly cos I could not be bothered to skirt round topics which would be controversial. This was less to do with her religion than her sociopolitical views, which I usually find are far more of a hiderence.

Good book isn't it.

You've just given me a bad flashback to that Steven King film with likkle Drew Barrymore in it and her cat. I now won't be able to go to bed for a while...that last scene Scared the hell out of me

Evangelical? This is why I stay away from people. By nature, I attract those types (Don't even touch on how I got my Mormon Bible). And in order to avoid being attacked by them, I have to laugh it all off. Drives me mad. And why is it, that people like that are always so rude and ignorant?

And what's wrong with The Simpsons? You should email/write to the guys at 2DTV and tell them that story. They could include it in the programming...

Very windy tonight...

It is. I went to a lecture of hers at the Fortean Times UnConvention a few yrs ago, which made me determined only to believe things after I had studied them intently for a while. I'd like her to be sent round schools, but...
Yay! Hideous knife-bearing troll... into the fan to the music of Sting... such an ignominous death. Joy.
I had to share a car with her. And I couldn't talk politics, religion, childcare, music (she liked Steps- I like all the names mentioned on my space. I would like to see them pitted against each other in the arena) fairy stories, or complain about her terrible driving.
Trouble with the Simpsons is, it tells slightly too much truth...
'Moe thinks he knows a lot more than Moe knows.'

For my offspring it will be required viewing, and I will read them the *old* fairy stories. (Heard that one about the bird, the mouse and the sausage? actually that sounds like the beginning of a rude joke...)
Justin was very rude to you. More so than usual.
I am sposed to be in bed, I have to be up at 8 to go to stinkin' London... ah well.

>(me being not bothered which gender comes my way)

spiff, you hotel-motel too?

(apologies for non-sequiteur, there just don't seem to be that many round here.)

>hotel-motel<

Never heard that one before. Yeh I am. Although I am certainly not on the same level as some I have accidentally wandered in on around here. You know the one's who whine and gripe about gay rights, do it to be PC and cool. I'm not like that. I think I suprised Bob the Farmer on Friday night by moaning about the girl I couldn't pull (hot, blonde, Scottish *drool*). I just take what comes my way. Although I prefer male company exclusively...I think you are the only other girl I regularly talk to on here...

Have you noticed that Justin's launguage is changing? He's using a lot more slang that he usually does. I couldn't care less whether he is rude to me or not. I find him hilarious. Easy entertainment for me. Sport of choice in fact. I feel really sorry for his wife. And relieved he hasn't reproduced yet. And hope he never does.

I'm supposed to be writing. Bored of this place today (hooray!) so hopefully I should be back in front of the WP later.

Re : La Fontaine. I was glad that book was brought out. It's on the top of the library database, and thoroughly explodes all the nonsense. I did think it was a man though. Default option. Hope she does one on the Catholic Priest abuse...just for the irony of course. Can't help but cheer as the numbers rise. C**ts. They got theirs.

Preferred daft synonym.

the whingers... the only other bi-girls I have known have been truly horrible people. And daft in other ways- besides their announcing it to the world (one in the middle of a fire drill at school, interrupting a perfectly serviceable unrelated conversation)- they were the types who were MockGoths (yes!) and talked of 'I cut myself to let the demons out' type teenangst crap. (One of them did 'artwork' on this subject, truly upsetting someone else whose mother is an actual manic-depressive.) I don't really care about the pc-aspect, unless someone is being intentionally idiotic in which case I will probably slip in some cryptic comment which they can take whichever way they like. (Same if someone is discussing BDSM. A lot of people get on a soapbox about this when they actually don't have a clue- 'violence against women' etc.- so I use the same tactic. I dislike ignorance, really, and would like to educate. )
He is, isn't he? that o-so-ministerly facade is slipping... He was funny at first but I am now more or less indifferent, except when he comes out with something truly thunderous. Yep, his poor wife who, one assumes, wears no jewellery, asks no questions, keeps her hair long and free of styling products, and always goes underneath.

She would be good at that, with her non-sensationalism. Trouble is a lot of the priests aren't getting theirs, like that one who was allowed to work with full knowledge of the Archbishop (or similar... the same one who was paying schoolgirls not to abort. Ugh.)

Aaaaaaaargh. That makes me feel insecure. On the outside, I am seen as *daft* because I psychologically can't cope in social situations. I don't deal well with my relationships with other people. But that's because I do have mental dysfunctions; none of which I am willing to give up to medication or therapy quite just yet. *has an abject fear of being considered a MockGoth*

I don't even think I *am* a Goth really. I mean, at the end of the day, titles are for other people to decide on. People *constantly* tell me my judgement on myself is wrong, so I just don't bother...doesn't make a difference either way, does it?

But the bi-people *vomit vomit vomit*...some people are so consumed by one aspect of their life!!!! I'm a Satanist, but you couldn't really tell from one conversation. I'm an avid Manson fan, I'm a writer (my one true adoration)...I'm a million things in one package. Some people...I just don't understand them.

I'm not in the mood to deal with the whole Catholic priest debacle. If they had put more effort 20 years ago into looking at peadophile rings more closely; rather than doing what they did, half of this might not be happening now. I just want to know when they are closing down the Catholic church. That is what they do to paedophile rings, right?

Justin is routinely unsubscribing to conversations I am involved in. I find it hilarious. For one who so say has *the power of God* behind him, he isn't very good at beating Satan down, is he?

There's nothing wrong with the submissive feminine role in life...but then there is nothing wrong with the dominant female role. Same goes with men. Personally, I suffer a little because most men seem to not want to do what used to be traditional. Which is what I'd love to be doing right now - married, kids. But that's the way it is I guess. Something had to give for freedom.

These are the little fools that carve 'Pain' into their arms because a friend of theirs, whom they love (and embarrass, who really has something to be upset about) made some random injuries yet the difference is she doesn't display it whereas they more or less publish a map giving directions and the history of the wound. The type who make collages about their wannabe bulimia and threaten to cut others since they don't give a f*ck about cutting themselves.

For one thing, it is so unimaginative...

I am not good in society either. I am simply not a group worker, and if I talked about what I *want* to talk about in a group they would soon leave me alone. (Mostly I'd prefer it there.) But that is personal choice, rather than an exaggerated slight discomfort blown up and shouted about to look 'interesting'.
There don't seem to be any MockGoths on this site.
Fashionwise it seems I am technically Goth, since they have a subcategory for everything these days, but really I do not care. I don't *feel* like anything particular overall, some days I have an Aesthetic Decadent mood, some an exotic odalisque preference... I will dress, act, talk to suit that. but I imagine that's what everyone does.
I think, my current (straight) relationship makes no difference to me as a person, so neither should any additions to that spectrum.

I know those type so well. There was a whole group of them at college...one day they would come in looking like scabby Crow rejects (another great image ruined) the next looking like scabby Britney rejects. They walked around like they were so tortured...

I used to blurt out my problems to everyone who would listen, but I learned not to do that...people don't care, they don't want to hear it, and they can't do anything to solve it.

*ah* too many problems.

Which pisses off the truly tortured. (I'm not, and would not claim to be- people with actual manic depression etc.) To me, unqualified 'angst' behaviour is as insensitive as saying 'Suicide is the ultimate in selfishness'. I can't conceive that anyone would seriously think that.
I had the opposite problem- people, one in particular whom I couldn't stand, would blurt out problems to me. This was very distracting. Most of them I wanted to help, but it occurred with alarming regularity. Once the objectionable one turned up at the door... I was about to lie and say we were just about to leave, but as I opened the door she started a-wailing and hugged me saying she was 'so depressed'. The spot, I'm on it...
fortunately, they have now all gone away and I only have to help those I truly care about. And it works both ways. I agree that most of the time they cannot solve it.

And it's because I'm paranoid of being like that, and getting the reaction I feel towards people like that; that I can't get help now.

Fantastic. I People.

Yay! flan.
I doubt there are many people in the world as bad as that. I have met one other but managed to avoid being gulled again due to prior exposure.

Oh God. There are loads of them!!!!

Bring 'em on; I have a neutralizer...

And I have a nebulizer, if that helps?