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Hi, just went through and did a bit of editing on your saxon churches part of the project. I noticed a couple of points where I wasn't clear about things and I've highlighted them with ***s.

Have a look and tell me what you think.

Konrad

Anglo-Saxon Churches:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A599718

All Saints' Church, Freshwater - Arch:
Off the top of my head I cannot remember, but I'll find out for tomorrow.

All Saints' Church, Godshill:
FitzOsborn - the name is FitzOsbern, with a capital O halfway through. Why, I do not know, but then I don't know why McDonalds has a capital D or MacIntyre has a capital I. I assume it is the same reason, but the FitzOsbern family have always been written in all the history books I've read with the O as a capital.

I think that's all.
Thanks for raising these points with me - you're doing a great job so far. Any other questions and queries, please feel free to ask.

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No problem! Sorry to take so long to get round to it. Did I mention, I'm doing an open university degree at the moment (law) so from time to time (when essays are due) I have a work overload. The last couple of weeks have been just that sort of thing.

5,500 words due in tonight!

Konrad

Really? I was thinking of doing an Open University degree, which is why I read your article on it, and I was thinking of either doing History or Law. I did 2 years of Law and one of history at Southampton University, you see, but alas I had to abandon my studies halfway through because with rent, tuition fees and food etc., I just could not afford to stay on. With Open University I'd be able to work and study.
Although I've just asked NEC for a brochure also - do you know much about them?
Good luck with the essay!

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Sorry about the delay in replying, but it is, in fact, the chancel arch, yes.
Hope this helps

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Oh, you've had quite a varied background then! I thought the government was making a tragic mistake with tuition fees. It should be good for the open university though - what is it, a grand a year? That makes the OU a reasonable option for 18 year olds.

Being with the open university is great, particularly as there is such a variety of stuff to learn. And I'm really impressed by the thoroughness of the materials. For me (being a graduate of a normal university too) there are two main problems (i) the lack of social life (ii) the inflexibility of the marking. If you can cope with that, I heartily recomend them.

As for the NEC I'm sadly underinformed. I did try to find a Japanese course from them, but they don't offer them.

Konrad

Oh yes ... I'll amend the entry to read chancel arch.

I've just finished paying off last year's worth of tuition fees - £1,090. So yes, I feel that Open University is a better, and easier, route for me to take. I just have to decide what to study! I'm trying to find out as much as I can before I choose a course. NEC looks like a similar idea, but doesn't have as large a range of choices. I've applied for information packs for both, so when they arrive I'll sit down for a few hours with them and think hard about which to do.
At the moment, though, with work I don't have as much time for my social life as I'd like, as I still have all my uni friends - I don't think I'd be able to cope with another Uni social life

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Hi,

I'm still alive and slowly looking though your project in quiet moments at work.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A599682

Is the first block quote Bede or an Anglo-Saxon chronicle?

Are you watching time team? Seems almost your neck of the woods.

Konrad

Hello again.
All the quotes in that article are from the Anglo-Saxonm Chronicle, except two, where I have written that they are from Bede. All the quotations beginning with a year are from the Chronicles, whearas the 2 quotations from Bede begin:

"..So he [Wilfrid]...

"Cædwalla, a young and vigorous prince...

The Time Team in the New Forest is something I really wish I could watch, but sadly I work each evening when it is on, and I cannot record it, so I'm missing it all. Which I regret as it is something I am interested in - as these articles of mine show. That's one of the problems of working nights - all the interesting stuff is broadcast at night, and I refuse to watch daytime television on principle.
How's it been going?

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Hi,

Sorry for the long break! Thanks for not nagging - I was studying hard for the old law exams, but now they're out of the way, I've begun to pick up the h2g2 stuff.

The point of this message is.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A599718

Is now finished to my satisfaction.

Konrad

I had a read through, and I think you've done a good job, and clarified a point or two which may have caused confusion otherwise. Well done! I hope your exam results are good!

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Just given A599709 Anglo-Saxon Isle of Wight: Legends
a preliminary treatment. The only thing I'll alter now is spelling if I notice any mistakes, so take a look and let me know if you've anything to add.

Konrad

I've had a look, and I think it's fine.
If I decide to add anything to any of the articles I'll let you know here, don't worry.
Keep up the good work!

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I don't want to come over all nannyish but I've just had a thought. What do you think the copyright situation is with you're Chronicle quotes? Obviously the base material is out of copyright, but the translation probably is within copyright (unless you did it yourself - and if you did - WOW). I think at least we should put in a full reference to the edition you used.

Konrad

I mentioned in the first article (Anglo Saxon Isle Of Wight) that the translation of the chronicles was the M.J. Swanton version. In the front of that book it says something similar to "Introduction and footnotes (C) M.J.Swanton", which I feel means that the text of the chronicles itself isn't. He doesn't mention the Isle of Wight in the introduction, and very rarely in the footnotes, so this work would be unlikely to compromise the copyright. Afterall, there are many different translations of the bible, but none of them, as far as I know, are stringent to copyright laws. I don't know - it isn't an area I know that much about, but I believe that, as the text itself is 1,000 years old, that it would be out of copyright, especially as the text is not included in the copyright notice.

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Cheers for the info!

Now you mention it I remember your reference to the author . I've been going though the entries one by one as they appear on my list (ie numerical order I guess) rather than in your linked order so thats how come I forgot.

I'm quite curious about the copyright thing; there must be a line where translation becomes copyrightable (otherwise no translations would be profitable). I'm not sure that the source material date is completely relevant: look at beowulf - Seamus Heaney, I'm sure he's raking it in!

I think I ought to just check with TPTB that its OK. Personally, I think that amount is well within what you can quote in an academic work (which this is - more or less) so there shouldn't be a problem. But I think we should put a full acadamic style reference on every entry; that way we're playing by the book (and being much more thorough than most on site

So, can you give me : Author, initial, published date, title, edition, publisher, city please! (and for Bede too, of course)



Konrad

Okay - next time I come to the computer room I'll bring both Bede and the Chronicles with me and give you that information!

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Nice One!

Konrad

Translators:
Swanton, M. 2000, "The Anglo Saxon Chronicles", ("New Edition") Phoenix Press, London
Colgrave, B. 1999, "Bede: The Ecckesiastical History Of The English People", Oxford University Press, Oxford.
The Colgrave translation of Bede was first published in 1969, but it does not state which edition this is.

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Cheers, I'll put them in now.

Konrad