h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

There are none so blind as those who will not see!

Justin, it is you who doesn't believe me, not God. You should read the Koran, you will find there is much that you would agree with.


http://www.nature.com/nsu/030113/030113-6.html
Astrophysicists quarrel over quasar test of general relativity.
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Physicists are falling out over a high-profile claim that the speed at which gravity propagates closely matches the speed of light.


Highly Evolved Blue/Green Alji

Alji,

I have reference works on it, I don't need to read it. Highly intellectual men whom you would, no doubt, respect, particularly as they, like you, are enemies of God, find it exceedingly hard work, and a very tedious read.

As I know God, and have the one and only Maker of Heaven and Earth, why should I want to read the works of a vicious epileptic warlord who did not?

The fact that bits and pieces of what the Bible says, (and completely garbled at that), are found in it, to give it credence among Christians whom the said warlord wished to impress with his new religion (which is only a rehash of his pagan tribal religion) is neither here nor there.

If you wish to read it you carry on. It is nothing to do with me. But please don't try and impress me that paganism is on a par with Christ whom I know, and you don't. That is ridiculous. I want reality, and have it. If you want mere religion you get on with it.

Justin wrote;
I have reference works on it, I don't need to read it.

I never let "so called experts" cloud my judgement! What are the reference works you refere to?

Perhaps you should read more about other beliefs;

Bahá'í:"

"Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself."

Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, 71

Buddhism:

"Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful."

- Udana-Varga, 5:18

Christianity:

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them."

Matthew 7:12

Confucianism:

"Do not unto others what you would not have them do unto you."

Analects 15:23

Hinduism:

"This is the sum of duty: do naught unto others which would cause you pain if done to you."

Mahabharata 5:1517

Islam:

"No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself."

- Sunnah

Jainism:

"In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures as we regard our own self."

- Lord Mahavira, 24th Tirthankara

Judaism:

"What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. That is the law: all the rest is commentary."

Talmud, Shabbat 31a

Native American:

"Respect for all life is the foundation."

The Great Law of Peace

Sikhism:

"Don't create enmity with anyone as God is within everyone."

- Guru Arjan Devji 259, Guru Granth Sahib

Zoroastrianism:

"That nature only is good when it shall not do unto another whatever is not good for its own self."

Dadistan-i-Dinik, 94:5

Seeing you believe everything in the Bible, why don't you believe God?
Hosea 11:9
"I will not execute my fierce anger, I will not again destroy… For I am God, and no mortal --the Holy One in your midst, and I will not come in wrath."



Highly Evolved Blue/Green Alji

Alji,

As ever you are coming from a position that does not include God in your calculations/reasoning. Sure there is a trace of what is right before God in all your listings from pagan antichrist religion. But none of those who hold these things can live or do them, as they are, like you, congenital enemies of God. Hence you must be born again, then you will be able to do what is right before God. All human beings have some trace of what was in man before the Fall, they all know some things are right and others wrong to some degree.

As for your selective quote from the Bible; I am surprised you would put up such a gross twisting of the Scripture, which even you know is untenable.

Firstly that is God speaking to HIS PEOPLE at a time they were under His chastisement, and NOT the unsaved. The vast majority of the Bible is NOT written for the enemies of God, but to and for the children of God. Secondly, you are taking a Scripture about God's dealings with His people under the OLD COVENANT, which is defunct, and attempting to apply it firstly to the unsaved, and secondly to God's NEW COVENANT people. Such a thing is utterly ridiculous!

Now, you should know by now that you will NEVER catch out a servant of God, who knows God, when you are God's enemy and do not have access to God's things yourself. Why not just concede defeat and go play in the inane nebulae found all over h2g2? You will be much happier.

Some antichrist posted something here to the effect that I can keep 'this sort of thing up for months'. He was utterly wrong! I stand on the Truth of God, whom I know, (Jesus is the Truth, Jn.14:6), and I can keep it up for eternity, and WILL BE DOING SO. You, however, can only keep up your attacks of God, via His servant until you die.

It stands to reason, which you and the antichrists here are so fond of, that you will be much happier forgetting all about Jesus Christ, and what is going to happen to you post your death, and going away to leave those who are genuine seekers and believers to discuss the things of God in peace, rather than the constant, boring,and failed attemts to attack and pull them down so that you can feel more comfortable in your sin and wickedness agianst God. You only have a few years to enjoy your life as you wish to lead it. Best go away from that which can only upset your sinful life, eh? Enjoy yourself, you are not going to enjoy your life post your departure from this world, except you repent.

Whilst we wait to see Justin's reply, I would like to thank you Alji.

This seems to be a key tenet of most faiths, doesn't it?

Thank you.

You call Mohammed a warlord as if it was a slur;
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/prophet/lifeofprophet.html
<quote>(Prof. K. S. Ramakrishna Rao, Head of the Department of Philosophy, Government College for Women University of Mysore, Mandya-571401 (Karnatika). wrote
To the Arabs, who would fight for forty years on the slight provocation that a camel belonging to the guest of one tribe had strayed into the grazing land belonging to other tribe and both sides had fought till they lost 70,000 lives in all; threatening the extinction of both the tribes to such furious Arabs, the Prophet of Islam taught self-control and discipline to the extent of praying even on the battlefield. In an aged of barbarism, the Battlefield itself was humanized and strict instructions were issued not to cheat, not to break trust, not to mutilate, not to kill a child or woman or an old man, not to hew down date palm nor burn it, not to cut a fruit tree, not to molest any person engaged in worship. His own treatment with his bitterest enemies is the noblest example for his followers. At the conquest of Mecca, he stood at the zenith of his power. The city which had refused to listen to his mission, which had tortured him and his followers, which had driven him and his people into exile and which had unrelentingly persecuted and boycotted him even when he had taken refuge in a place more than 200 miles away, that city now lay at his feet.
By the laws of war he could have justly avenged all the cruelties inflicted on him and his people. But what treatment did he accord to them? Mohammad's heart flowed with affection and he declared, "This day, there is no REPROOF against you and you are all free." "This day" he proclaimed, "I trample under my feet all distinctions between man and man, all hatred between man and man."




Highly Evolved Blue/Green Alji

Hi Alji

Perhaps you would like to add this to your rote:

"Grant, O Gods, Thy protection,
And in protection, strength,
And in strength, understanding,
And in understanding, knowledge,
And in knowledge, the knowledge of justice,
And in the knowledge of justice, the love of it,
And in that love, the love of all existences,
And in the love of all existences,
the love of the Gods and all goodness."

A modern interpretation of the Universal Druid Prayer.

Blessings,
Matholwch /|\.

If you want to believe in a vindictive god you 'owns' the world then you can, you have already shown you don't believe in taking responsibility for your own actions - which is another type of evil.

Nobody 'owns' this world, and I don't believe in your god, I will always base my spirituality around seeing the divine in nature. You can go around saying 'evil, you will all die and burn in hell', if you really want to. One day I hope you will stop preaching hate and anger, and learn to love the world you are in.

Until that day, I will not expect much from someone who won't take responsibility for their own actions. You are happy to put your god in position of parent and continue to live as a child. Well, I am happy to live as an adult.

Your god doesn't own me or my world.

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'Enjoy yourself, you are not going to enjoy your life post your departure from this world, except you repent.'

Ah! Is this how we are to save ourselves Justin? If we repent our sins? I thought there was nothing we could do, and only God got to choose.

Ste

Once I depart this world I am not expecting anything! Thats what death is!

Kaz,

Well He says He does. Let's wait and see who is the liar; you, or Him.

Many people say they know something, doesn't mean they are right, or that you should follow them just because a book was written about them. Follow your mind, not someone elses.

Kaz,

Very wise, in some respects, I don't follow other people. I know the Lord Jesus for myself, just like all Christians do. When you then come to the Bible you recognise what it is.

In effect, Kaz, Justin IS following his own mind. He just doesn't know it, mistaking the voice in his head for something outside himself. He has not, in all the time I've conversed with him, attributed to his God any opinion, any belief, that could only have come to him from outside his own guilt, his own need, his own desire for retribution. If he had I would be much less inclined to argue with him.

Noggin

Good point Noggin!

Justin, you selectively ignore the New Covanent ALL THE TIME. You have never, in my experience, openly 'turned the other cheek'. You speak of execution - why? You said yourself that you would not kill me - '[I] know fine what the answer is'. So WHY BOTHER? It is irrelevent, especially to us - because these scriptures '[are] NOT written for the enemies of God, but to and for the children of God' - as you said yourself!!!

'...you should know by now that you will NEVER catch out a servant of God...'

I have caught you lying about one of my friends - and one who tried to DEFEND you to other people at that. You speak about evolution when you know nothing about it - you declare 'the doctrine of evolution says...' and then proceed with something that YOU MADE UP, and that has nothing to do with evolution!

'It stands to reason, which you and the antichrists here are so fond of, that you will be much happier forgetting all about Jesus Christ...'

Unfortunately, I cannot do this. As what you call a 'soldier' of Christ I CANNOT forget you. As your friend Mystrunner says, 'We fight a divine war, and one I intend to fight to the death, screaming defiance to the very end, to spit in the devil's eye.' There is no way on this Earth that I am going to stop hating - and fighting - your ANTICHRIST religion. Despite what you think, it is incredibly likely that I will live for a long time yet. My full name is Jordan Benedict Gray. Look out for it in the obituaries, I assure you - and it is unfortunate - that 'Justin Hughes' will be seen therein before mine.

And you cannot keep going for eternity, even from your own perspective - because THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT TO PERSECUTE! If we are all burning in Hell, who will there be left to argue with?

No, Justin. You will not need to keep it up forever, and neither will I, because one day you will know what is true. One day, you will remember: 'Suffer the little children to come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.' And you will tell Jesus, face to face, that you thought them condemned to eternity in Hell. And when that day comes, you will seek forgiveness: hence the cross. I pray for you and I will fight for you so long as my heart is boldened with the truth. Perhaps you think you can continue forever, but you cannot continue for even this long - you try to lighten your load thus: '...you will be much happier forgetting all about Jesus Christ, and what is going to happen to you post your death... You only have a few years to enjoy your life as you wish to lead it. Best go away from that which can only upset your sinful life, eh?'

I do not know if you have ever met a real Christian, Justin, but the prospect must terrify you. A real Christian will not ignore you while you preach hateful falsehoods in the name of the Lord. They will not tell you to leave when they've had enough. They will not tell you to enjoy your sinful life when they know how awful your judgement will be, because (unlike you) they are valiant at heart. They do not insult those they disagree with and condemn the blameless, but neither will they let evil pass by without rebuke, and they will never refuse a sinner redemption.

You, Justin, are a sinner. You were an adulterer - and, instead of repenting, you dived farther into sin, trying to hide from it by pretending righteousness. Well, no longer. Now we'll see who can't be caught out. Now, we shall see who will concede victory to whom, and who will rest, comfortable in their own wickedness. Someone here 'has the guts' to let their name be known.

You've already met many people, and there are many qualities you will recognise. There is spirit. There is intelligence. There is love. But evidently, this is not enough.

Now, let's see how you deal with being face to face with a real Christian, and by your works you shall be known.

- Jordan Benedict Gray, Christian, Priest and Soldier

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It looks like Justin, our Sinner-in-Chief, is having a few problems with the moderators today.

Ste

I am sincerely disappointed that Justin's post was hidden, especially since it may have been in reply to me.

It is horrible, but Justin is so far gone in sin that he can no longer see it. The spirit can no longer dwell in him. And the most awful thing is, he is surely the greatest enemy of Christ on this thread!

Hoovooloo is perfectly happy to let Christians be, and is only contentious when they attack what he knows to be true. Ste, you are alike, and are intolerant only of intolerance itself. Matholwch is a paragon of Christian love, and the other Christians here strive to be honest, worthy and good.

No one on this site so viciously attacks God and His way as Justin does. The outworkings of his sin are plain for anyone to see. It is horrible to see him serve Satan, his master, with such brilliance.

Justin hates Jesus with a passion.

You see, Satan's plan for Justin is two-fold. He uses Justin to misrepresent the scriptures, thus giving the non-Christian population a false impression of those who follow Christ faithfully, and their aims. Meanwhile, it misleads a very few into belief of the repugnant falsehoods that he expounds, burying their souls alongside his own. And it is self-perpetuating, since the further Justin sinks into his delusion the more vituperative his works, the more hateful they are to God and the further from salvation Justin goes.

I pity him, because I cannot help but do what the Lord commands -love him. This love is the greatest blessing and the greatest obstacle to any true Christian, because while it brings warmth and peace it can also bring pain and fear. Justin, I beg you: get on your knees and ask God for forgiveness. Please save your soul before you make it any worse for yourself. I may hate your works, but I must love you. One day, you too may have this wonderful gift of selfless charity and love, but you cannot receive it until you realise what a hateful, dirty sinner you have become.

- Jordan