h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

You are wrong. If the loophole were to be closed then the digibox users would not be able to get to h2g2 on the digibox, but they *would* still be able to use libraries and internet cafes (and computers of friends) just as many already do.

There are apparently two issues here - one of legality and one of people being annoying. If the loophole is illegal that's one thing but closing it at the TeleWest end would not be the same as banning the account of that user on BBCi. At most it might reduce the level of nuisance (from Saturnine's point of view onsite and from the bandwidth point of view for everywhere else the digiboxes are supposed to access) because people would probably spend less time at the library than attached to their TVs.

*suddenly and inconveniently jumps in*

No, banning Digibox uses and stopping their method of access are not the same thing.

Banning them would be a decision taken by the h2g2 staff for a given reason - for instance "you are banned because your shite use of English irritates people". Removing their method access would be a decision taken by Telewest because the provider considers their accessing h2g2 is a breach of their service agreement.

One is a decision taken by h2g2 for a subjective reason, one is a decision taken by a service provider for a objective reason.

Please continue the petty bickering.

simulpost.

KerrAvon

But surely a person shouldn't be frowned upon because their spelling might not be upto scratch

I myself admit that when i first "migrated" from Ld to H2, that i did use a lot of "txt" talk, but that was purely because that is how it was done on LD & that is what i had become acustomed to, not because I was trying to annoy people or get up their nose!
I think my typing skills have come a long way, but it will never be perfect & thats not because i used LD, it is purely because I am not an interlecctual genius with perfect punctuation & english grammar skills!!

The sheer magnitude of crap ex-lders have had to put up with on here is, i believe uncalled for & unwanted....but, we're still here & we do contribute to this site, albeit not always in a good way, but that can be said about anyone!
Just don't always put the dunce cap on our heads everytime a problem is found, it is upto the troublesome individual, NOT the place they came from & the many others that came with them!!



lynsey

Of course there is a third possible outcome of this telling tales to Telewest. They might take a look at what we've got on site, and go, "Oh that's rather cool. We'll have some of that." and then add the DNA sites to the list of features that their digibox users can access directly

Little Miss, I was not suggesting that digibox users *should* be banned for using text-speak, I couldn't care less whether they do or not, I find it fairly easy to avoid threads full of cack. I was merely pointing out the differences between the two scenarios.

*unlurks*

Once upon a time before the BBC took over hootoo people could access the site from their wap phones. There access was limited in the amount they could post but they did when they could. They mainly used it to view the entries. So there were conversations (bear in mind this was in the old chugging along forum threads) where shortened messages from WAP users.

We didn't shun them as most of them were PC users most of the time. Therefore we should not shun digibox users for their preference in language.

The service on WAP was limited as it still is. People accessing through WAP were aware that there were limitations and didn't cause anywhere near as much fuss and D-Box users seem to. my

Also before the BBC there were threads in languages other than English. These people could easily avoid as many users do these days with LDers threads.

As for the legality of D-Box accessing H2G2 that is not an issue for h2g2 to deal with as the BBC website is free access to all. If there is a dispute on that line it would be up to Telewest what issue they take.

Whats the point to this thread why cant people just get on with each other and put a stop to all this petty arguing

My point exactly. Only I was looking at it historically.

*watches it all chug along merrily*

"I disagree: I think the most valuable contributions are made by those with lower U-numbers (Researchers such as A Girl Called Ben, Gnomon etc). You prove me otherwise please: either by thread links, or A-numbers. And please define "valuable" for me" *agrees*

"That's where I do all my research - and whilst you're there, you could use all that handy dandy free internet access that they provide."
*agrees again*

*risks sounding elitist again*
It would help a lot of digibox users if they actually did try out the library, what with all that free Internet access; Although the majority of digibox users probably wouldn't know how to /spell/ library.

"Poor brd. He's probably gone and spelt 'library' with one 'R' again" - Arthur Dent, teaching the caveman to play scrabble

"look if you close the access to the site for d-box users you are esentually banning d-box users because if you close the accss d-box users cant get on here, therefore your trying to ban them

CORRECT ME IF IM WORNG!!! but i aint."

As has been said above, if the non-digibox-site access is cut off, then as a byproduct, access to h2g2 will be cut off. It is up to h2g2 to ban users. Before the outgoing traffic firewall was enabled, all your other Internet access was disabled; THE WHOLE INTERNET did not ban you. Gerrit?

You're not 'worng', but you are wrong.

"I myself admit that when i first "migrated" from Ld to H2"

Please stop calling it 'h2'. If you want to use the affectionate shortened name, please say 'hootoo'. h2 is the name of the BBCi Messageboard software for 's sake!

"The sheer magnitude of crap ex-lders have had to put up with on here is, i believe uncalled for & unwanted"

No it's not. If they get it, they usually ask for it.

Oh, and...
"The service on WAP was limited as it still is."
But I thought the WAP service was discontinued?
Has it come back, DD?

Oh and on that first point: Since when have YOU been authorised to define what h2g2 as a whole deems as 'valuable', Dragon Lord?

is that your rant over !!

I did need to bring this up somewhere. Just to clarify, this is in relation to the WAP thing, not anything else.

When it comes to digiboxers, I have constantly heard tale of this myth that there are all these problems that come along with typing a message - be it capital letters, individual letters, spaces, etc etc.

For some reason, this EXCUSE for bad posting (because that is all it is, an excuse), has been generally accepted by all and sundry on this site, and therefore digiboxers are given a break, as if somehow, they are disadvantaged.

They aren't as disavantaged as you might think.

Let's take a look back. Far, far back, to those days when I used a Telewest keyboard.

Sept. 20th 2002 - F82999?thread=210099&post=2416929#p2416929
Sept. 17th 2002 - F30499?thread=210475
Sept. 18th 2002 - F83018?thread=210779&post=2409717#p2409717

And, considering that was 2 years ago, and technology is technically supposed to improve with the years, I hope I've squashed any kind of excuses used previously. Yes, it is awkward to use a Telewest keyboard as opposed to a computer/laptop one, but I actually found it easier in some respects, and it never stopped me from posting readable, capitalised messages. In fact, just before I finished using that method, they upgraded the keyboard, and made typing messages *easier*...

someone told me this was a friendly site after reading this thread it looks to me that digibox users are not welcome on h2g2 so i think (yes we can think) i'll call it a day thanks for nothing

Some facts, to assist what Saturnine is saying.

Me = Have had a Telewest digibox for roughly 5 years.
The technology HAS improved. It is VASTLY easier to type correctly using the Telewest equipment /NOW/ than it was back then, and you only have to ask around; For ages, everyone assumed that Saturnine was a PC user, because of the MYTH that the TW equipment was to blame for the illiteracy.

The technology has only gotten easier to type with within the last year, by the way, in such time, lots of digiboxers STILL persist in passing their rubbish typing off on the digibox equipment.

So, given that it was perfectly capable of allowing you to type properly two years ago, and since a time, it has become even EASIER, why do so many digiboxers put the equipment to blame?

It's a bad cover. Don't buy it.

"someone told me this was a friendly site after reading this thread it looks to me that digibox users are not welcome on h2g2 so i think (yes we can think) i'll call it a day thanks for nothing"

VICTORY!!

Oh. I mean uhh.

Aka ive looked at your page i see your an ace, that last comment wasn't very ace-like was it !!

strange .... since the update Telewest secondline support have agreed that keyboard stutter as they put does happen.....

think your a little out of date with your info ...or you dont speak to the right people at Telelwest..

and since you want to vilify people, maybe you should hand your <./>ACES</.> badge back as it goes against the code of conduct or doesnt that apply to you???



Jonathan<./>ACE</.>

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