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Saturnine Started conversation Jan 6, 2003
Cycle goes like this :
Anxiety attacks.
Get on with life.
A.A get worse (especially
when combined with
other conditions).
Life begins to falter.
A.A get worse (now in
your
head
no matter what you do
they are still there)
Can't get help, because you
have anxiety.
Have anxiety, so you
need help.
Can't get help because you
have anxiety.
Have anxiety, so you
can't get help.
Money slips away,
Bills pile up.
More pressure.
Eventually the great big wall comes crashing in; you're
strangled by
external pressure.
Ai. Me.
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njan (afh) Posted Jan 6, 2003
.. I don't know what to say or offer to do (or if I can even offer to do anything) other than to say that I'm sorry, and that's virtually meaningless.
.. people love you, for what it's worth.. *bites lip*
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clzoomer- a bit woobly Posted Jan 6, 2003
Depression is a destroying thing. I live with someone with it and I know. It eats and tears and nags.
Have you tried P@xil and all it's different varieties? One kind may not be the one for you, the composition and dosage is different for everyone. Remember it's not a drug, just a way for your body to produce the serotonin it should.
It really does work as long as you realise what other things (like alcohol and surroundings) do to it's effects and you.
You are a talented young lady, full of promise and love. Know that there are others in the world who love you and feel some of your pain.
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Wampus Posted Jan 6, 2003
It's nice to see someone here even more neurotic than I am. Makes me think that I'm not so bad, after all.
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njan (afh) Posted Jan 6, 2003
hmm.. drugs bad, especially antidepressants, and especially all three of the big ones (paxil, prozac, effexxor)..
* for saturnine*
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clzoomer- a bit woobly Posted Jan 6, 2003
Please don't make generalisations. I know several people who are living lives ten times more productive and happy with some of those *drugs*. Just because some people don't know how to wean themselves or are given the wrong formula or drink excessively while on them, don't condemn others to a lifetime of helplessness and hell. They are not like benzedrine or the host of other drugs that treated the symptoms rather than the cause. Some people do not produce or have receptors for enough serotonin and that is a fact. Those people usually moderately to severely depressed, some suicidal- that is another fact. The prozac family if used properly and matched to the patient allows the receptors to accept the serotonin and in some cases for the body to produce more. What is wrong with that?
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Haylle (Nyssabird) ? mg to recovery Posted Jan 6, 2003
I think you're reading a little too much into what Njan said...still, Prozac kept me from killing myself after Josey was born and after other bad spots in my life...
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Haylle (Nyssabird) ? mg to recovery Posted Jan 6, 2003
Oh, and I should add the I got off as soon as I could. It took away my ability to dream. I can't tolerate not dreaming..also *Ahem* it made me tweak when I smoked my favorite substance.
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clzoomer- a bit woobly Posted Jan 7, 2003
Haven't heard of those side effects, and I'm sorry I was so abrupt. It's just that other people taking it has improved my life a great deal. And introduced me to people who weren't.
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Saint Patrick Patron Saint of Depression: Here to haunt your dreams and stalk your waking hours Posted Jan 7, 2003
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Potholer Posted Jan 7, 2003
I hope you know how positively you affect people here, Saturnine. I could my image of you for a long time simply for your presence as an intelligent, articulate and thought-provoking woman.
You *may* also have quantity on your side, but your quality is what really stands out.
Maybe at times you think too much. Beleive me, I do know what that is like, but it really is better than the alternative of thinking too little.
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njan (afh) Posted Jan 7, 2003
Extremely, extremely bad things have happened to more than one person I've known in the past as a result of all three of the mentioned antidepressants. I'm quite prepared to concede that there are positive aspects to them; it's extremely unlikely, even setting aside the relative incompetancy of the mental health professions in the UK and US that they'd be used unless they had some merit. Even ECT, possibly the most dubious 'remedy' resorted to by the profession, has been clinically linked to some resolution of conclusions for which it's prescribed. (As to the frequency of said resolution, or many other undesirable side effects is another question).
As far as I'm concerned, people're welcome to resort to whatever medical attention they see fit in order to remedy problems of chemical imbalance or mental disorder. However, as far as I'm concerned, the day on which I have myself pumped full of drugs of which people are not even vaguely aware of even recorded side effects will be the day on which I give up on life altogether.
- njan
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Atari - Tok'ra (With my symbiote Jullinar) Posted Jan 7, 2003
Its really a personal choice whether you want to have your life fixed up by "drugs" or fix it yourself
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- 1: Saturnine (Jan 6, 2003)
- 2: njan (afh) (Jan 6, 2003)
- 3: Atari - Tok'ra (With my symbiote Jullinar) (Jan 6, 2003)
- 4: clzoomer- a bit woobly (Jan 6, 2003)
- 5: Atari - Tok'ra (With my symbiote Jullinar) (Jan 6, 2003)
- 6: Wampus (Jan 6, 2003)
- 7: Atari - Tok'ra (With my symbiote Jullinar) (Jan 6, 2003)
- 8: njan (afh) (Jan 6, 2003)
- 9: clzoomer- a bit woobly (Jan 6, 2003)
- 10: Haylle (Nyssabird) ? mg to recovery (Jan 6, 2003)
- 11: Haylle (Nyssabird) ? mg to recovery (Jan 6, 2003)
- 12: clzoomer- a bit woobly (Jan 7, 2003)
- 13: Saint Patrick Patron Saint of Depression: Here to haunt your dreams and stalk your waking hours (Jan 7, 2003)
- 14: Potholer (Jan 7, 2003)
- 15: Atari - Tok'ra (With my symbiote Jullinar) (Jan 7, 2003)
- 16: clzoomer- a bit woobly (Jan 7, 2003)
- 17: Atari - Tok'ra (With my symbiote Jullinar) (Jan 7, 2003)
- 18: njan (afh) (Jan 7, 2003)
- 19: njan (afh) (Jan 7, 2003)
- 20: Atari - Tok'ra (With my symbiote Jullinar) (Jan 7, 2003)
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