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anhaga Posted Aug 21, 2011
To be honest, I don't know why anybody gets stupid about journal entries. I don't comment on every journal entry that comes up in my conversations. I pretty sure I've not joined in discussions on every one of your journal entries. If I don't have anything that seems positive to add, what's the point in just posting a stupid bit of negativity? Of course, sometimes I'll post a friendly, joking bit of negativity, but only in cases where I am pretty sure it will be taken in a friendly, joking way and will actually be a positive thing. And, lest you think I treat you with kid gloves, that goes for you as well.
I admit, however, that if I respond to a journal entry from ~jwf~ or zoomer, etc., it may be in a different way than I would respond to one of yours. But then, I wouldn't respond to ~jwf~ in the same way I respond to zoomer.
Does that make sense?
I mean, lots of people around here seem a little tiresome to me at times. But what's the good of saying it? Better to just be the grandpa at the family gathering, turn the hearing aid down for a while, nod a lot, and then join back in a little later.
Something which I have noticed about h2g2 is that there are quite a number of people who are quite open about having mental health issues. Personally, I think this openness is a very positive thing and something to be encouraged. Part of that encouragement, however, is to know when to bl00dy well shut up and just not make any stupid comments. There's nothing dishonest about keeping one's to oneself. It's just common courtesy. And it is far better to not hurt someone in the first place than to have some sort of community action to correct the rudeness of someone after the fact.
And this online thingy is perfect for self-censorship, for sober second thought, for strong emotions recollected in tranquility, and then to ask 'should I hit "post" after all?' There is absolutely no reason for incivility here.
Sorry.
Pass the
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Effers;England. Posted Aug 21, 2011
No sorry needed.
I like your honesty..though not entirely sure how you are referring it to me or not. But its fine if you are.
I completely agree that more civility is needed, and I aim for that. But people are 'human' and mistakes will happen.
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anhaga Posted Aug 21, 2011
I'm thinking of how some people have reacted to your journal entries -- as you put it, talking of poor-meing (is that how you put it? it doesn't look right.) To me, it's your journal, it's your place, no one has a right to come in and spit on your carpet. If they don't like what your right, if they find it tiresome, if they feel like , they should just quietly back away without comment. No one is forcing them to read your journal and certainly no one is requiring them to post a response.
And I don't mean these comments to be just about your journals. There are lots of journal posts out there that I don't comment on *because they don't have anything to do with me* and I have nothing to contribute.
I don't understand why some others don't behave the same way.
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Effers;England. Posted Aug 21, 2011
How dare you venture into real life
Yeah journals could be a thing to rally take off in noohootoo. And there is a whole tradition of that here in England.
And you don't need to feel you're a 'writer' to make a journal. There isn't the pressure.
It doesn't bother me at all whether people respond..though its nice of course. Its the writing/art.
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anhaga Posted Aug 21, 2011
I think `peo`ple should at least for a bit and find out how the journal is being used in order to res`pond with some `pro`priety. I mean, if a journal is being used as an a`p`preciation of S`penser's She`pherd's Calendar, there's no `place for `posts in texts`peak.
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Effers;England. Posted Aug 21, 2011
lets just hope a few new people turn up to noohootoo to add the party.
I don't feel quite so concerned as you about responses. I just hope we can get people writing in the first place. And yeah so what if they publish a load of text speak nonsense initially..they may evolve as they get the culture of h2g2...its a process thing
My journal seems to get used in a different way every 5 minutes. I like that.
It may well go all 'strong emotion recollected in tranquility' sometime soon I really can do that as well..
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Effers;England. Posted Aug 21, 2011
What I'm basically saying, which maybe agreeing with you? , is that people shouldn't be all precious about journals. Its anti creative to be too controlled about things. One needs to feel safe to 'play'..then the process stuff can happen..at least thats how its always worked for me
And anyone who doesn't want to be subscribed..simply doesn't subscribe
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anhaga Posted Aug 21, 2011
I think we're agreeing.
My concern is that sometimes `perha`ps `peo`ple who `probably shouldn't want to be subscribed stay subscribed and either intentionally or without realizing it put a damper on the ability to `play or even end the safe feeling.
I don't know how often it ha`p`pens, but . . .
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Effers;England. Posted Aug 21, 2011
I want to be involved in some unofficial way with noohootoo unofficial...and I'll be trying to encourage people not to be scared to be playful..and then later they can move onto more structured areas of the site.
Its a bit like art foundation courses we have here. You do all kinds of experimental stuff and try everything out every which way before going onto art school. Your sketch book was the centre of it. And a sketch book could be any weird thing you might make and call a book.
I had one made out of the leaves of London plane trees..and another made from Rizla papers.
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Effers;England. Posted Aug 21, 2011
stop saying sorry.
getting light here still can't sleep
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Effers;England. Posted Aug 21, 2011
>I want to be involved in some unofficial way with noohootoo<
I should qualify that. It will all depend what kind of place noohootoo appears to be IMO. I'm not going to bash my head up against a brick wall if its clearly pointless...
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Effers;England. Posted Aug 21, 2011
My opinion of this place gets ever lower. But maybe thats a transition thing?
Not you. Thank god for you anhaga.
I wish to god we had more artists here.
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Effers;England. Posted Aug 21, 2011
But they'd only be gagged or thought too unruly or otherwise dismissed.
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Effers;England. Posted Aug 21, 2011
But you're ruly in an unruly way. Or unruly in a ruly way.
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Effers;England. Posted Aug 21, 2011
You're creative in the way you interact. yeah not like my passions.
And I don't care what those other people said about freedom of speech on another thread, and people not dying for it. I would. When all's lost it's the only thing left.
Anyway I'm nervous of what I post even in a journal. the authorities will suddenly censor it.
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anhaga Posted Aug 21, 2011
When I was young I wanted to be the all `passionate artist thingy. I was annoyed when someone told me I was 'analytical'. Some time ago I realized they were right, I am analytical. And it works for me.
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