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Hi.

I asked this elsewhere, and subsequently felt the need to mass-unsubscribe, so I've missed an answer, if any was given. You said 'discrepancies' with regards to LeKZ. This could imply all kinds of things. I should like to know specifically what you are saying - by email, if necessary. My promise of confidentiality still applies, if you wish to take this to email.

Thank you,
Xanthia

I need to clarify.

You could have meant a number of things, for example.

-Discrepancies in her multiplicity
-Discrepancies in her history
-Discrepancies in her being someone I should support
-Discrepancies in the idea that you are in the wrong
-Discrepancies in her being a professional
-Discrepancies in the idea that you are an unpleasant person

and so on, and so forth.

Some of these, as I'm sure you can appreciate, are much more hurtful than others. Which is why I feel that you should clarify what exactly you meant, or some people will assume the worst, and the worst is *very* nasty, and totally unlike you.

Thank you for your time.

I'm going to copy your posts here and will do my best to reply via email to them as clearly as I can without going on a search mission to find direct quotes. I don't have the patience for that, and I believe a lot of the stuff I'd be referring to is hidden now. So you'll have to settle for something that is not a document, but just a collection of my impressions, for what they are worth. It will probably be a while, but sometime in my tonight I hope to send it off to you.

I started a thread-- Lurkers Anonomyous-- in "ask h2g2" trying to gather some information for an entry. You've got me thinking about it, dunno, maybe I could try my hand at it. We'll see what happens. I haven't dared to go look at what's been going on in there since I went to work this morning. It seems to be staying close to the top of my page, so I guess there's a good bit of activity. Hope that didn't open up a whole new can of worms.

I'm going to unsubscribe from this thread now, as we have all agreed it's best to keep the LeKZ stuff as contained as possible. I believe that erases it from showing on my page. If you have something to say to me that you feel needs to be left public, I'd appreciate if you did it in the other thread. Otherwise, you are welcome to email me. If you think real time communication is better, I'm on ICQ. I'll reply to an emailed request with my number.

Take care.

MoG

Oh, poop. I guess maybe I can't make it *poof* from my page. Didn't seem to work, anyway.
*sigh* I HATE it when I don't know how to do things on my puter.

I didn't want to interrupt your 'lurker's anonymous' thread with such unrelated issues as this one, hence starting a new thread. If it's at all possible, I'd like to keep the anonymous thread as non-specific and pleasant as possible.

I'd like to clarify that I do not think that you are necessarilly an unpleasant person, and do not have sufficient information to judge. Ditto with you being in the wrong here. But you seemed to think that I did think so, so it was a possible interpretation of your words.

Thank you for the email - I/we will get back to you...

-Martin

Hi Martin, et al.
I got your email. It clarified some things for me, though it didn't dispell all my doubts.
Like you, I am thoroughly tired of the whole saga. I've gotten behind in my classes, the house is a mess, and my parents are coming to visit this weekend for the first time in years. Right now I can't prioritize researching those issues any further, so I'll just have to let it remain kinda Matrix-y for me. *sigh* Wish I really were omniscient, though, because it's terribly unsettling to think that such things really do go on. I guess for the moment I'll have to remain aggressively ignorant on those matters. But I'm also going to remember that that is the place I'm coming from.

I'm going to unsubscribe from those two threads on LeKZ's page. If anyone addresses me there, well, the reason I won't reply is not necessarily that I can't answer for myself, but simply that I'll be oblivious to what's been said. I'm going to leave the "party" next door on my page for the others who come into it through the various links. They can carry on as they see fit. Since I can't unsubscribe from that one, I'll still be reading it, and will answer any questions addressed to me, or misconceptions about me, if I feel that my integrity is an issue. It is still on my home page, after all. And I've shown various aspects of my personality, for better and for worse, that I might just want to show people totally uninvolved in h2g2 who are wondering about what I am like. I often direct people who contact me on ICQ to the MoGgie page. Saves a lot of typing.

As I said before, it's been a strange sort of pleasure interacting with you. Let's let it go back to random meetings in various threads where we run across each other. If it's ok, I might ask for your help putting together that Lurking entry, whenever I get caught up enough to focus on trying my hand at it. I just can't write as well as I'd like to, and I recognize that. That's why I've never tried to make a guide entry in the past. But that one, on lurking, well, maybe it has to be said.

I'm hoping that the only fireworks I have to look at for some time to come are the ones that will be shot off on the beach tonight. We have a wonderful display here. I LOVE holidays with costumes or fireworks. They make me feel like a kid again.

Many thanks, and ciao.

MoG

It's ok to have doubts. When I first met LeKZ I was somewhat uncertain of much of the military mind control she describes, and felt the need to get a second opinion. Specifically, I said as part of a larger post:

> "A few questions, if I may. The first is that you mentioned on your site that the USA had declassified _some_ of their docs relating to MMC: is that online anywhere? I couldn't see a link and I'd like to see what they say... The second is more open: if you've had so much outside manipulation of your mind, how do you tell the difference between real and fake memories? If They can implant personalities can They not implant memories as well?"

My doubts were subsequently solved by provided external links and explanations. You may draw your own conclusions from differences in phrasing and in the result of both posts...

Thank you for unsubscribing from those threads, it is appreciated. If you require help on your lurking entry from my somewhat anti-lurking perspective, feel free to ask Fare thee well...

Hi Lucinda, Hi MoG,

After the heat and fury, and indeed my posting on Lurkers Anonymous about interrupting conversations in personal spaces, I really really hestitate to post here. But I was invited to read this thread for because of the coincidence that MoG had wanted to remove it from her Personal Space, at the same time that Lucinda and I were posting the request to the Italics.

So having knocked on the door, apologised for the intrusion, and promised to behave nicely and not spit - here goes.

I have not been reading all of the backlogs of all involved, and have NOT read the posts that refer to mind control.

All I can say that is that it is easy to create fake memories, and indeed change entire a person's beliefs, (I have seen this done), and also that various governments have conducted sustained experiments in mind control, both of individuals and of populations as a whole. (This information is based on sources whom I know personally and find credible) .

And a secondary comment - it seems to me that tempers are cooling, and dignity is being regained, and this is a credit to all involved. As well as caring about people, I also care about H2G2, and it is good to see it returning to the intelligent and good-humoured place I like so much.

Having said my piece, I shall now wave to you both, and unsubscribe.

Regards all around.

***B

I would just like to say that when I posted the previous post, I did not know that LeKZ had been suspended.

This suspension grieves me, because it seems to have happened when the truces were beginning to gel into new levels of understanding, and because of the pain that the action will have caused LeKZ.

From what I have read of the backlogs, (and I have not read them in their entireity), it also *seems* to have been done fairly brutally, and for an incident which was smaller, swifter and less significant than some of the earlier ones have been.

Like most of us, I care very much about this site, and it's health and wellbeing. I do also care about the health and wellbeing of all of the individuals concerned.

*Weeping, wailing and gnashing teeth*



***B

Thank you agcB - I'm glad I'm not the only one who is unsettled by the suspension - reassures me that I'm not biased...

Lucinda

Since you have spent so much time brokering peace and some understanding between LeKZ and the researchers, may I please make a suggestion.

I read in another thread that LeKZ did not want to have multiple user-accounts for the different people who post on this site - which is their choice, and which I respect.

But the rest of us might find it easier if she headed some of her postings 'From Kassandra' or 'From Auntie'. We then know who's thoughts we are reading. I know the sigs are at the bottom, but understanding individuals with multiple personalities is something of a learning curve for most of us, and a few sign-posts might help. This is more important in the 'public' forums than in postings in peoples personal spaces, of course.

Another thing which I for one would find useful is a guide to some of the different personalities who go to make up LeKZ. You have given a very clear guide to yours, and I for one found it very helpful.

Please pass on yet more good wishes to LeKZ. I would not wish anyone to feel as hurt and attacked or silenced in the way in which she must be feeling now.

Kindest Regards

a girl called Ben

You said it all, Ben. How do you always seem to DO that?

Ooh - someone read my 'pad'! weee! I'll pass on your advice, assuming she hasn't read this already...

Lucinda - not entirely convinced that 'brokering peace' is what's been happening...

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My Pad: http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A581087

All us 'names' have their own space now - that one's mine. Saves conflict over what piccy we put on our real home space!

Lucinda - "[cpu] you have 76 emails"

Ah-- I'd seen those before. That's why I addressed Martin, at times.

I'm going to be lurking pics of the meetup, by the way. If I see something funny with you in it, I just might make you a victim of my photoshop one day. hehehe But not if you'd feel as if I were stalking you. Lucinda and Xanthia would just be fun characters to play with. I made a joke for a friend with Mark in it after the winter meetup pics were posted.

Feel free to turn your creative side wild
-myre

Please do not discuss us in the Third Person Invisible. We find it rude, offensive, and rather threatening. If anyone has questions about us, s/he is more likely to get the truth from us than any other source. We find these public conversations 'behind our back' most impolite, and not at all nice. Kindly address questions and speculations to us, personally, or reserve them for offline conversation. Thank you very much for honouring our personal boundaries.

Auntie, for LeKZ

Understood Auntie - not what I was trying to do here, but I can see how it could come across like that, in this and a few other places. I will try to modify my language accordingly.

Welcome back, by the way

I'll do the same. And LeKZ.... I wouldn't have done what I did the last couple of days if I'd known you felt that way. By the time I knew, it was done. I'm sorry.

Take care!

Britta