h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

The entry looks good to me

Only quibble is the sentence on the 'British Islands' with its reference to the Interpretation Act 1978. May be worth extending to say what the Interpretation Act was defining by this phrase. As far as I can tell it was "to collectively denote those lands within the British Isles which are inhabited by British citizens." Of course this leaves ambiguous what a British citizen is.

A neat link might be to http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/british_isles/ (I don't know if you've seen this one already)

Pimms

"Crown Dependencies form part of the British Isles (see below for what the British Isles are) but are self-governing, they are; the Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey and finally Alderney. <

I believe this sentence should start with;

Some Crown Dependencies...

otherwise the 'they are' bit doesn't read quite right"

All the Crown Dependencies are within the British Isles.

OK you know the facts, I was just trying to sort out he wording.

F S

making it

"Some Crown Dependencies form part of the British Isles (see below for what the British Isles are) but are self-governing"

Confused as we say that ALL CDs are part of the British Isles?


CHAwke

>Crown Dependencies form part of the British Isles (see below for what the British Isles are) but are self-governing, they are; the Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey and finally Alderney. <


perhaps;

All Crown Dependencies are parts of the British Isles (see below for what the British Isles are) but are self-governing, they are; the Isle of Man, Jersey, Guernsey and finally Alderney. <


F S

or rephrasing entirely:

Some islands that are geographically part of the British Isles are not governed by the UK. Their more tenuous political link to the UK is as Crown Dependencies. These self-governing populations consist of the Isle of Man (in the middle of the Irish Sea), and the Channel Islands (Jersey and GuernseyAlderney and Sark are politically dependencies of Guernsey </FOOTNOTE&gt.

Note in the link I gave earlier it states Alderney is not a dependency in its own right.

Pimms

Hi Pimms, I like your rephrasing, much clearer.

F S

ok, how about

Crown Dependencies are geographically part of the British Isles (see below for what the British Isles are) but are autonomous states, the Crown Dependencies are; the Isle of Man, the Bailiwick of Jersey and the Bailiwick of Guernsey (comprising of the separate and independent jurisdictions of Guernsey, Alderney and Sark). Unlike British Dependencies the government of the United Kingdom in Westminster has no legal duty or responsibility with respect to the administration or running of these islands except where agreed by international treaty. In practice like British Dependencies the British Government takes care of foreign affairs and defence-related issues, but this it is done for a small fee instead of out of a legal duty. The UK Crown is also the head of state in these islands but not in their role as the British King or Queen. In the Channel Islands (Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney and Sark) it is as the Duke of Normandy, in the Isle of Man it is as the Lord of Mann. On very rare occasions the UK parliament in Westminster will pass laws that will apply to Crown Dependencies, these are normally to do with foreign affairs and defence-related issues. In these very rare cases the Bill will state the dependencies it applies to and the Crown will consider the bill in all their applicable head of state rolls before giving Royal Assent to the Bill.

nice link btw http://www.dpcommission.gov.gg/About/about.pdf

revised

Crown Dependencies are geographically part of the British Isles (see below for what the British Isles are) but are autonomous states, they are; the Isle of Man, the Bailiwick of Jersey and the Bailiwick of Guernsey (comprising of the separate and independent jurisdictions of Guernsey, Alderney and Sark). Unlike British Dependencies the government of the United Kingdom in Westminster has no legal duty or responsibility with respect to the administration or running of these islands except where agreed by international treaty. In practice like British Dependencies the British Government takes care of foreign affairs and defence-related issues, but this it is done for a small fee instead of out of a legal duty. The UK Crown is also the head of state in these islands but not in their role as the British King or Queen. In the Channel Islands (Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney and Sark) it is as the Duke of Normandy, in the Isle of Man it is as the Lord of Mann. On rare occasions the UK parliament in Westminster will pass laws that will apply to Crown Dependencies, these are normally to do with foreign affairs and defence-related issues effecting the UK. In these rare cases the Bill will state the dependencies it applies to and the Crown will consider the bill in all their applicable head of state rolls before giving Royal Assent to the Bill.

final attempt before going to bed

Crown Dependencies are geographically part of the British Isles (see below for what the British Isles are) but are autonomous states, they are; the Isle of Man, the Bailiwick of Jersey and the Bailiwick of Guernsey (comprising of the separate and independent jurisdictions of Guernsey, Alderney and Sark). Unlike British Dependencies the government of the United Kingdom in Westminster has no legal duty or responsibility with respect to the administration or running of these islands except where agreed by international treaty. In practice like British Dependencies the British Government takes care of foreign affairs and defence-related issues, but this case it is done for a small fee instead of out of a legal duty. The UK Monarch is also the head of state in these islands but not in their role as the British King or Queen. In the Channel Islands (Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney and Sark) it is as the Duke of Normandy, in the Isle of Man it is as the Lord of Mann. On rare occasions the UK parliament in Westminster will pass laws that will apply to Crown Dependencies, these are normally to do with foreign affairs and defence-related issues effecting the UK. In these rare cases the Bill will state the dependencies it applies to and the Crown will consider the bill in all their applicable rolls as head of state before giving Royal Assent to the Bill.

OK - A the first sentence From Pimms and the rest from Happy - Pimms now on researcher list if that is OK. Anyone else who feels they've added to this entry and wants to be on the list?

I think that is more or less it - we could go round and round makinmg small changes - but I think it is the best entry prior to sub-editing I've had a hand in.



CHawke

Happy Dude, I think your variant has become less clear as to what points are being made. Below *another* variant, attempting to make your points clearer (assuming I've understood it )

Crown Dependencies are geographically part of the British Isles but are autonomous states. They consist of the Isle of Man (in the middle of the Irish Sea), the Bailiwick of Jersey and the Bailiwick of Guernsey (comprising the jurisdictions of Guernsey, Alderney and Sark). The UK Monarch is the head of state in these islands (which is why they are known as Crown Dependencies), but not in their role as the British King or Queen. In the Channel Islands (Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney and Sark) it is as the Duke of Normandy, in the Isle of Man it is as the Lord of Mann.

Unlike British Overseas Territories the UK Government has no responsibility over the administration of these islands, except where agreed by international treaty.

In practice however, as with British Overseas Territories, the British Government still takes care of foreign affairs and defence-related issues. With Crown Dependencies this is done for a small fee, instead of out of a legal duty. On rare occasions the UK Parliament in Westminster will pass laws in these areas of policy that also apply to Crown Dependencies. In these rare cases the Bill will state the dependencies it applies to and the Crown will consider the bill in all their applicable roles as head of state before giving Royal Assent to the Bill.

Do you think this is clearer? I have taken out a few qualifications to make it more punchy, but it is still accurate enough I think.

Pimms

Sorry CHawke, I was working on the above amendment while you posted.

"Alderney and Sark are politically dependencies of Guernsey"
NO NO NO
Alderney and Sark are NOT politically



The Bailiwick of Guernsey comprising of the separate and independent jurisdictions of Guernsey, Alderney and Sark, each being on an equal footing with the other.

Try again, just woke up

"Alderney and Sark are politically dependencies of Guernsey"
NO NO NO
Alderney and Sark are NOT politically dependencies of Guernsey



The Bailiwick of Guernsey is the three separate and independent jurisdictions of Guernsey, Alderney and Sark, each being on an equal footing with the other.

Sorry Happy Dude - what do you think to post 93? - that doesn't make the mistake I made based on the British Isles link (to http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/british_isles/), that suggests Alderney and Sark are dependencies of Guernsey.

Pimms

ok, my info is based upon the PDF linked to in post 89
(http://www.dpcommission.gov.gg/About/about.pdf )

additional evidence is that the Crown (via the Privy Council) considers bills from the three jurisdictions separately when giving Royal Assent to pass them into law (see page 4 http://www.privy-council.org.uk/files/pdf/020326_orders_in_council.pdf ) for evidence.

just mentioning the Islands (all four(& I must apologise for forgetting Sark in earlier drafts)) should be fine. I mentioned the Bailiwicks in the hope it would clear up confusion regarding the status of Alderney & Sark, I still feel that a solution that includes both the Bailiwicks & the Islands would be preferable but I'll go with the majority vote on this.

confused - is what is there at the moment correct enough? or do we need a further edit?

CHAwke

YES we need a further edit