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Bush's War

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Researcher 185550

Hey, Reciprocal Episkypos Connerie II if you write even a small introduction to your personal space one the ACEs (like myself) can come along and greet you.

smiley - ok


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Britwannabe {......... }

The scariest part is that the last smiley - earthleader who used bullying and war mongering as forign policy had the initials A.H..


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Researcher 185550

Here's a scary email I received. Not sure how true it all is, but it was forwarded to me from someone who's trustworthy on these issues:

Friendly Fire
Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War
With Cuba

By David Ruppe

N E W Y O R K, May 1 ? In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders
reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of
terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible
assassination of Cuban ?migr?s, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high
seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating
violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the
international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new
leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military
casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and
blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful
wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new
book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's
largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were
not connected to the agency, he notes.

The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and
were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in
March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and
have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

"These were Joint Chiefs of Staff documents. The reason these were held
secret for so long is the Joint Chiefs never wanted to give these up because
they were so embarrassing," Bamford told ABCNEWS.com.

"The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public
will, and here this is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick
the American people into a war that they want but that nobody else wants."

Gunning for War

The documents show "the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for
what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government,"
writes Bamford.

The Joint Chiefs even proposed using the potential death of astronaut John
Glenn during the first attempt to put an American into orbit as a false
pretext for war with Cuba, the documents show.

Should the rocket explode and kill Glenn, they wrote, "the objective is to
provide irrevocable proof ? that the fault lies with the Communists et all
Cuba [sic]."

The plans were motivated by an intense desire among senior military leaders
to depose Castro, who seized power in 1959 to become the first communist
leader in the Western Hemisphere ? only 90 miles from U.S. shores.

The earlier CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles had been
a disastrous failure, in which the military was not allowed to provide
firepower.The military leaders now wanted a shot at it.

"The whole thing was so bizarre," says Bamford, noting public and
international support would be needed for an invasion, but apparently
neither the American public, nor the Cuban public, wanted to see U.S. troops
deployed to drive out Castro.

Reflecting this, the U.S. plan called for establishing prolonged military ?
not democratic ? control over the island nation after the invasion.

"That's what we're supposed to be freeing them from," Bamford says. "The
only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were
doing all over the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically
what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."

'Over the Edge'

The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen.
Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to
McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the
military.

Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is
not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly
there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba,
Bamford reports. Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as
chairman and transferred to another job.

The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military
leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in the Kennedy
administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on
communism. At the same time, however, there real were concerns in American
society about their military overstepping its bounds.

There were reports U.S. military leaders had encouraged their subordinates
to vote conservative during the election.

And at least two popular books were published focusing on a right-wing
military leadership pushing the limits against government policy of the day.
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee published its own report on
right-wing extremism in the military, warning a "considerable danger" in the
"education and propaganda activities of military personnel" had been
uncovered. The committee even called for an examination of any ties between
Lemnitzer and right-wing groups. But Congress didn't get wind of Northwoods,
says Bamford.

"Although no one in Congress could have known at the time," he writes,
"Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs had quietly slipped over the edge."

Even after Lemnitzer was gone, he writes, the Joint Chiefs continued to plan
"pretext" operations at least through 1963.

One idea was to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country
so that the United States could intervene. Another was to pay someone in the
Castro government to attack U.S. forces at the Guantanamo naval base ? an
act, which Bamford notes, would have amounted to treason. And another was to
fly low level U-2 flights over Cuba, with the intention of having one shot
down as a pretext for a war.

"There really was a worry at the time about the military going off crazy and
they did, but they never succeeded, but it wasn't for lack of trying," he
says.

After 40 Years

Ironically, the documents came to light, says Bamford, in part because of
the 1992 Oliver Stone film JFK, which examined the possibility of a
conspiracy behind the assassination of President Kennedy.

As public interest in the assassination swelled after JFK's release,
Congress passed a law designed to increase the public's access to government
records related to the assassination.

The author says a friend on the board tipped him off to the documents.

Afraid of a congressional investigation, Lemnitzer had ordered all Joint
Chiefs documents related to the Bay of Pigs destroyed, says Bamford. But
somehow, these remained.

"The scary thing is none of this stuff comes out until 40 years after," says
Bamford.
This transcript is produced from the teletext subtitles that are generated
live for Newsnight. It has been checked against the programme as broadcast,
however Newsnight can accept no responsibility for any factual inaccuracies.
We will be happy to correct serious errors.


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DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist)

hmmm, I wounld't put it pass the US.

At the moment, the US has guns pointed at it's closest friends and it's most threterning enemeies (ie, the world).

If anyone even thinks about doing somthing just, and right that dosn't benifit the US on the world stage then they don't want to know.

-- DoctorMO --


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Researcher 185550

Hmm, I read some news magazine recently. On the cover was a photo of Tony and Bush obviously talking about Saddam:

Tony: He's out of control and he's got nuclear weapons.
Bush: What's wrong with that?


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DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist)

smiley - laugh, even better.

-- DoctorMO --


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Menza

smiley - laugh That is funny. smiley - smiley


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Britwannabe {......... }

smiley - laughFunny, but so true.


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Ormondroyd

smiley - laugh I think that was from 'Private Eye' magazine. The front cover of the current issue of 'PE' has an picture of Bush in front of the Mount Rushmore monument, with the faces of past American Presidents carved into the mountain. In word balloons, Bush is saying: 'We must rid the world of this evil man'. Abraham Lincoln is replying: 'So when are you quitting, George?' smiley - biggrin


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DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist)

Flew right past me that one... Ops... smiley - sadface

-- DoctorMO --


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Researcher 185550

One of the best ones I've seen lately was in the Times: It was a caricature of Iain Duncan- Smith (Or as Paul Merton would have it, Iain and Duncan Smith). His face was blanked out and at the bottom was written: Iain Duncan Smith: The search goes on!!! Who is he? What is he? Why is he?. That and a load of holy days that I suspect were made up.


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