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HTML Help - Frames
DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist) Posted Nov 9, 2002
probly not the events either.
OnMouseOver anyone¿
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HTML Help - Frames
Ion the Naysayer Posted Nov 10, 2002
DocMO,
Opening new windows is fairly easy in JavaScript. window.new, I believe (though it's been a while since I've used client side scripting - if the client can see it, the client can break it). It has to be called from an event handler such as onClick. Oh, and Mozilla based browsers will ignore any new window call in certain event handlers (like onLoad or onUnload) if you have popup stopping enabled.
My statement that a new window opens is based on experience with frames in Netscape 4, so...
I never use frames or multiple windows anymore because it's rarely good design.
HTML Help - Frames
DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist) Posted Nov 10, 2002
sometimes frames are a good idea, I hear that using too many tables can realy be a crutch for menus anyway.
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HTML Help - Frames
DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist) Posted Nov 11, 2002
I must still be missing a link in my knolage, I thought xml was for databasing, so whats xhtml? extra?
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HTML Help - Frames
Ion the Naysayer Posted Nov 11, 2002
*whew* Pastey, you haven't looked much at CSS2, have you?
CSS give you _much_ more fine grained control over every aspect of how your layout is drawn. Using s and % widths I've been able to convert every table based layout I've used over to CSS and have it look and function the same and instead of tables within tables I have:
Header Stuff
Content goes here
Navigation links
Footer Stuff
Much simpler than the equivalent table layout, no?
Plus you can move the navigation to either right or left side with one CSS param. You can even make styling images correct themselves depending on whether you use left or right navigation. And it's user configurable. And it degrades beautifully under older (or even text based) browsers. And it's more accessible because the repetitive navigation links are after the content in the structure.
I could go on and on about all the things CSS can do that tables can't but I'll spare you. Tables are good for data. Tables are not good for layout. I've used both. I'll never go back.
HTML Help - Frames
Ion the Naysayer Posted Nov 11, 2002
XML is just a set of rules for defining data structures. HTML is just a data structure, after all.
XHTML is a reformulation of HTML 4.01 into XML. XHTML is replacing HTML 4.01, at least in theory.
See: F75855?thread=209464&skip=20&show=20 and related links.
Also: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/
HTML Help - Frames
DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist) Posted Nov 13, 2002
Oh I see, yes I've used them before for a menu system.
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XHTML
Ion the Naysayer Posted Nov 13, 2002
Here's a better (more specific, more relevant) link for XHTML:
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1
This is the W3C's official XHTML recommendation. This one is pretty readable. Some of the others I've tried to read... well... .
XHTML
DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist) Posted Nov 14, 2002
Ah yes, many thanks friend. I have had a good read and I've bookmarked.
is there anything the W3C can't do?
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XHTML
Ion the Naysayer Posted Nov 15, 2002
No prob!
I'm beginning to wonder about that myself. They recently voted to keep non-free patents out of all their recommendations which puts them a few more points up on the respect-o-meter.
XHTML
DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist) Posted Nov 16, 2002
I respect them, and that just goes to show what a body of people who have there minds set on the betterment of the web can do. thank god for W3C (oh and konqueror, I'm sure these follow W3C member around finding new featurs to add)
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some bloke who tried to think of a short, catchy, pithy name and spent five sleepless nights trying but couldn't think of one Posted Nov 26, 2002
>> is there anything the W3C can't do?
Convince micro$**t to follow standards...
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- 22: DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist) (Nov 8, 2002)
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- 24: DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist) (Nov 9, 2002)
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