A Conversation for Number Systems

Minor "nit picks"

Post 1

Ausnahmsweise, wie üblich (Consistently inconsistent)

Hi "WhoAmI",

Just a couple of little things.
You added something about logic gates. Unfortunately there are tri-state logic gates. I wonder if this might confuse the reader.

I had deliberately spaced (justified) the binary representation so the reader could see how it was growing
___0
___1
__10
__11
_100

etc. I wonder if you could keep it that way, unless there's a technical reason for doing it otherwise.


You refer to A as ten, B as twelve, etc. These are base ten concepts. I think ther reader should try to forget about those and just know that after 9, comes A, then B... etc., depending on the current number scheme.

Hope you don't mind me butting in smiley - winkeye

Awu


Minor "nit picks"

Post 2

Ausnahmsweise, wie üblich (Consistently inconsistent)

Hi,
it's the pest again smiley - winkeye
trueencryption should be true encryption.
Awu


Minor "nit picks"

Post 3

beeline

Hi Ausnahmsweise,

Fixed those - thanks. That was quite a subtle point about 11, 12, 13, etc, as our writing guidelines say to use numerals for anything after 10, but you're right - those numerals are base-10 oriented by their very writing! I'll edit appropriately.

Well spotted! smiley - smiley


Minor "nit picks"

Post 4

Max C

Actually, "ten" is not a base ten concept. The number ten is written in different ways in different bases, but it is always the number ten: the concept of the number of fingers I have.



Minor "nit picks"

Post 5

Ausnahmsweise, wie üblich (Consistently inconsistent)

...but if I was counting in, say hexadecimal, I wouldn't say "ten" out loud after saying "nine". That's what I meant. I would say "A". When I got through A, B, C, D, E and F and reached 10, I might call that "ten hex".


Minor "nit picks"

Post 6

Ketman

I think it's okay to say ten out loud. It's also okay to write "ten". What you don't do is write "10". I can say "two-nought" or I can say "thirty-two"; either way I mean four times eight. There is no ambiguity.


Minor "nit picks"

Post 7

Max C

I think Ketman explains it well. "Ten hex" is really "A", although some people would think that it meant sixteen ("10" written in hex), so it's probably best avoided.

The key here is the difference between a number (ten) and a representation of that number (10, 1010, A, whatever). This becomes important in situations where there is more than representation for a number in the same base. For example in decimal, "0.999... recurring" represents precisely the same number as "1.0" does. The number one is a concept which we all understand, and it exists independently of bases. I've written more boring stuff about this in the "Uniqueness of representation" thread.

M


Minor "nit picks"

Post 8

beeline

Check http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A592553 for the proof. smiley - smiley


Key: Complain about this post