h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

There have been so many disputes on Internet these days over China's Tibet issue between Chinese and Western people. I want to use this opportunity to clarity something so that hopefully to ease some misunderstandings.

First, most Chinese who have commented here actually are in favor of human rights and democracy. But why the western people think they are against of them? To understand it, you should think of Tibet issue as two aspects, not single one.

One aspect, it is a matter of human right, yes; on the other aspect, it is concerned with China's nation integrity. Having been turt by China's history of being invaded and separated by western powers, today's Chinese cherish nation's integrity very much. Probably they don't like CCP, they like human rights and are eager for democracy, but - if you touched the most sensitive nerve of the nation's integrity, they will turn sharply to support the government who strongly maintains the nation from being separated again.

Chinese people don't want to sacrifice nation integrity for human rights - if this comes to a dilemma. This is nothing about Communist, but it is from Confucianism - which has dominated Chinese minds for over 2000 years, you cannot wash it away from Chinese mind overnight, just like we cannot wash God away from your mind.

Second, I know in western world, nation's status is not as high as human right. If you come to a dilemma, you can sacrifice nation integrity for human right - at least some of you would do it, I believe. (You can of course blame me if my understanding is incorrect, but please explain yourself). I guess that is because you westerners think your countries are strong enough now, they do not need their nationals so cherish and protect any more, right? However, Chinese do not think same.

I think above are the key points to understanding the disputes sparked these days. People in different cultures need have to come together and understand each other from each other's backgrounds. Misunderstanding will surely need to further meaningless, useless collisions.

I only read a little bit of what you penned cause it's just the same old stuff all of you are writing it gets boring ,
There are a lot of people posting on these threads from all over the world talking at all times of the day about many many things which I find very interesting.

Then a couple of weeks ago a bunch of chinese start posting on these boards they are all just saying the same old stuff >>boring<<they seem to post one after the other with only one of you clocked on at a time all in the middle of my day it is almost like they are all sitting in the same classroom posting one after the other on the same computer

I think it's a pity you lot can't find something more interesting to post about

>> it is almost like they are all sitting in the same classroom posting one after the other on the same computer wah <<

What an imagination!!!!!

>>they seem to post one after the other with only one of you clocked on at a time all in the middle of my day<<

Arnold, what makes you think they're different people? I've always thought there was just one of them and many sock puppets.

I think it might be time to call the Italics and stop these people from spamming.

I know my job isn't exactly thrilling, but it beats going around sites and spreading propaganda.

>>Chinese people don't want to sacrifice nation integrity for human rights<<

The problem is it isn't your country. Tibet was conquered and stolen. China has no right whatsoever to be there.

What about the Tibetans who lose both their nation's integrity and their human rights?

I think there are a few of them because each one has a different level in the english language just a feeling maybe on my part but that is how I see it .

yes maybe it is time to see what them up on high think

Do you simply know how Dalai Lama turned to be so call ¡®Living Buddha¡¯ and got his great name of Dalai?
That was from the central government of China, written in the Tibetan history and painted on the wall in Tibetan temples.

How could Dalai call Tibet an independent country, when he still calls himself the name which was given by China?

Doesn't matter which party is running the country, China is still the one it was. And Tibet is still and will be part of China.

The same as USA, no matter who is the President, and which party is running the government, it's still the United States. None of the states is calling itself an independent country no matter what.

It's the common sense.

It's against the h2g2 rules to post the same thing on other threads so I should really delete them all

>> I think it might be time to call the Italics and stop these people from spamming.<<

I am so threatened by you by depriving my human rights of free talks here!
I strongly protest on that.
Again - I see someone is abusing human rights - while under the disguise of human right!

Hey stevenlinbj janemiao posted the same message on 3 threads one after the other ,that is spamming and that broke the house rules so they should be deleted, simple, did you read the house rules your Ace pointed out to you ? I also see that none of you have answered your Ace they are not paid to try to help you , they are very friendly really and will help you if asked .

PS most of them don't like or watch CNN either after all this is H2G2

Anoldgreymoonraker:
Thank you for explanation. I know the rule but no exact same messages were posted by me. I don't know if others' messages duplicated. I registered only lately when Torch Relays related event happened, so I didn't have time to answer Ace. So long as I can post my ideas I am OK. H2G2 is really good as it allows us talk freely.

Post Nr 7 was posted on 3 dif sites ,read the house rules .

In answer to post 11,>>I registered only lately when torch relays related event happened ,so I didn't have time to answer Ace.So long as I can post my ideas I am OK.H2G2 is really good as it allows us talk freely..

Because the Olympics are going to start soon your government has opened up these sites mostly for the foreign press and you found that you too could finally get in here,Since coming here you have tasted a little of the freedom that we in the western world (I'm in Japan )have had all our lives .I think you should forget politics and enjoy this site while you can ,get out on other threads don't take politics with you and people from all over the world will be happy to chat with you I just wonder how long after the Olympics ends this site will stay open to you .

>>I am so threatened by you by depriving my human rights of free talks here!
I strongly protest on that.
Again - I see someone is abusing human rights - while under the disguise of human right!<<

That really is one of the silliest posts I've read in these threads, and it shows how little you understand human rights - not a surprise really.

We're not abusing your rights. You are guests on this website, and rather than showing respect towards your hosts, you and your friends attack them. It's not unreasonable for us to ask you to restrain yourself.

There have been some interesting comments made in response to certain vitriolic posts, whether by one person or many. I think it would be a shame to call in the italics. Even though, strictly speaking, repeat posts amounting to spam are against the rules, they do at least get us talking about an import issue. In my admittedly skewed opinion, it would be better not to shut out those who are perhaps having a hard time adjusting to an h2g2-style free and open discussion.

Why so many people from China writing supporting the Chinese government?
I still cannot understand when I am in Hong Kong.

But, I understand why you guys in Europe and US have totally different perception.

That's the difference in the video clips broadcast in Hong Kong and US.

In Hong Kong, the video content is:
The tibetan people use knifes to chop towards any non-tibetan people in the street.
Police comes out and some policeman are also killed. The tibetan also fire a few flat with non-tibetan people living inside. Finally, more than 10 people are died in the fire.
After a few hours, the policeman have better preparation and catch the killers.

But, when I visited US last week, I can just find the video that policeman catch the tibetan people.

I should not say anything. But i would invite you all to visit China.

Actually, doing for freedom or doing for terrorism is depending on your judgement..

Added: some tibetans who refused to attack non-tibetans were also kiled and wounded by thugs in Lhasa issues, not only non-tibet.

Post 16 , Yes the BBC World TV showed those clips I didn't like it but they also reported that about 80 Tibetan people were killed by the chinese police and about 3 months ago they also showed a Japanese reporter getting shot by a chinese policeman at close range (less than 1mtr ) the reporter fell down and carried on filming his killer for about 15 seconds before he died . When his body was delivered back to Japan the film from his camera was missing and his family want that film . That was also reported on the BBC World news did you see that one ?

Post 17 Are you sure that those people were killed by other Tibetans and not by your police ?see above .

post 18
>>Yes the BBC World TV showed those clips I didn't like it but they also reported that about 80 Tibetan people were killed by the chinese police and about 3 months ago they also showed a Japanese reporter getting shot by a chinese policeman at close range (less than 1mtr ) the reporter fell down and carried on filming his killer for about 15 seconds before he died . When his body was delivered back to Japan the film from his camera was missing and his family want that film . That was also reported on the BBC World news did you see that one ?
<<
so ,you must tell where the news,please show me the web.or you tell me where that happened? thank you!!!

After spending a few hours going back on the news clips I am now pretty sure I have the wrong country , I am pretty sure this killing happened on around 22 september last year ( 1 or 2 days either way )
I couldn't find the story but it did happen and I think If you research that about the monks uprising in Burma at that time you may find the film .
If or when I hear about it again I will give you a call .

As for where I have been searching I went back from january to september on
"What news story has caught your attention today /"this is another thread that can be found at ahttp://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/A148907