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The stupid and radicular poster, as having pointed by others, should do much, much and much homework to render his friction to stand further questioning, at least, "Xizang Zhizou" doesn't make any sense as something like "Tibet"-"Warehouse", hahahaha,

Furthermore, if you guys are not expert at such issue, don't pretend to be a professional on it. Ok? The God will not accept you in the heaven if you lie.

What standard of professionalism do you need? Will this do?

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2008/03/24/china18334.htm

Man, you simply need to go back to elementary school and re-read the history book (if it has ever had any chapters on Chinese history). you should know that from the Yuan Dynasty (1100AD) Tibet was already part of China. It was you westerners separated China's territory in 1900s. When in 1950's we re-claimed sovereignty over Tibet, you said it was 'invasion'.

Man, your country's history was too too shorter than China's so you can see back to only 50 to 100 years of history, no wonder.

Please, please do NOT insult a civilization with over 5000 years of history. It has over 5000 years of history because of certain solid reasons. Please mind your own country's business.

It makes me laugh when people talk about 5,000 years of Chinese culture. Why not 5,000 thousand years of African culture, or European? Do you imagine that the CCP handed out party memberships to Monguls? Modern China is little more than half a century old. Not that any of that is germaine to the issue of Tibetan independence.

Hi, can you answer me:
1) Why not Free North Ireland?
2) Why not Free Quebec?
You have 100000 reasons to keep them, then I will have 10000000000 reasons to keep Tibet.
If you do not have any reason of keeping them, please mind your own business, free them first.

1)But north Ireland is already where it wants to be ,free,free free, like what's under their kilts, It's their choice,2)Why not free Quebec? , Maybe most Quebecians voted not to be freed ,Did you vote to be freed ?
if not why not?

>>1)But north Ireland is already where it wants to be ,free,free free, like what's under their kilts, It's their choice,2)Why not free Quebec? , Maybe most Quebecians voted not to be freed ,Did you vote to be freed ?
if not why not? <<
1)i have to tell you that british invaded into Norther Ireland then killed lots of Irish and made lots of british immigrants several centuries ago.so thwere were not Irish's choice but just british"s choice.
2)do you know the vote of indians who lived Quebec? those indians hope their land can be part pf Canada,but the leader of independent-Quebec refused indians request and announced the Quebec couldn't be splitted in 1995.
free vote?do you believe there no free voting in China? hehe

1)NoEngland sent the Scott's into Ireland to claim the land and gave the scott's that bit for winning the punch up,FREE TIBET , maybe we should ask the Scott's to go and FREE TIBET,we could give them a bit for doing so

2)As far as I'm concerned the Indians can have all of Canada but maybe they should ask France politely for Quebec first

3) Free all of China so they can believe in their own religion and you also can be an Atheist

4)So what do you wear under your kilt?

And again with Northen Ireland - what is it with you guys and a place you clearly know nothing about?

Nothern Ireland is autonomous and relatively peaceful these days. solution was found after careful and lengthy negotiations. Compromises were made, all sides accepted some sacrifices and the majority of people are happy. China has a lot to learn from it.

The Quebecois have rejected independence in two referenda - the majority clearly want to remain part of Canada. The Quebecois are as free as they want to be. End of story.

>>do you believe there no free voting in China?<<

There is no free voting in China. Why don't you vote for someone other than the CCP? Because you can't - it's the only party. Did you choose Hu Jintao as your leader? No, because unless you're part of the Politburo, you weren't asked.

>> There is no free voting in China. Why don't you vote for someone other than the CCP? Because you can't - it's the only party. Did you choose Hu Jintao as your leader? No, because unless you're part of the Politburo, you weren't asked. <<

China is moving toward democracy.
We want a 'managed' process rather than a random, orderless one. Some time the so-called democracy movement might be used by foreign powers, which we have been keeping alert at and tried to avoid.
We want order rather than turmoil, we want democracy rather than anarchism.
We have learnt a lot from other countries' negative lessons, look at former Soviet Union, East Europe, real democracy cannot be achieved overnight, if certain conditions cannot be met.

Chinese people have suffered a lot from its past turmoils:
Starting from 1840 - western world opened by force its door to China
Opium Wars I & II with UK - 1840s 1850s
Wars with other imperialism countries - 1860s, 1870s, 1880s
Jia Wu Sea War with Japan - 1890s
Eight imperialism countries invaded China and set fire on Beijing - 1900s
KMT overturned Qing Dynasty - 1910s
Warloard Civil Wars (almost no central government governed)
Wars with Japan - 1930s
World War II - 1940s
Civil War between CCP and KMT - 1940s
Korean War - 1950s
Vietnam War - 1960s
Culture Revolution - 1960s&1970s (totally in anarchism states)
1980s - now: we are working hard for economy construction

We have been cherishing the peaceful times today we possess.
We do not want a turmoil society again - if we cannot 'manage' the process, if we cannot control uncertainties that might occur, we would rather keep working on economic reforms first - once the material conditions improved, the political conditions will be easier to meet too.

You cannot imagine applying sharp democracy changes (even revolutions) in a poor country where people even cannot feed themselves. If people are starving, illiterate, what do you think more make sense to them?

We are very confidence in seeing China moving toward a democracy oriented direction, sooner or later. Look at the ways most Asian democracy countries/areas have gone - Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan, they came to a democratic road after economy improved to a certain level. Look at a negative example, Iraq, you overturned a dictatorship, but cannot setup a managed democracy - even with the escort of USA.

>>And again with Northen Ireland - what is it with you guys and a place you clearly know nothing about?

Nothern Ireland is autonomous and relatively peaceful these days. solution was found after careful and lengthy negotiations. Compromises were made, all sides accepted some sacrifices and the majority of people are happy. China has a lot to learn from it.<<
sorry we don't need to learn from NOrthern Ireland,i only ask you a simple question how many Irish are living in Northern Ireland.we will not kill any one because of our benifits.

>>There is no free voting in China. Why don't you vote for someone other than the CCP? Because you can't - it's the only party. Did you choose Hu Jintao as your leader? No, because unless you're part of the Politburo, you weren't asked.<<
sorry,maybe you never come here.i think ccp do well,also i have rights to vote not-ccpers.of course the voting system is not finished,we will perfect it.
our elected representatives choose Hu.

thank you for care us though you know little of China.

I don't give a flying fart about China really but I do care about Tibet.

I heard today that China is now the Nr1 polluter in the world and I wish you would stop sending poisoned food into this country (Japan)and while your at it please keep your sand to yourself

>>I don't give a flying fart about China really but I do care about Tibet.

I heard today that China is now the Nr1 polluter in the world wah and I wish you would stop sending poisoned food into this country (Japan)and while your at it please keep your sand to yourselfsadface <<

Your above word and similar remarks are No.1 polluter on Internet.
Spiritual pollution is far more evil than material pollution.

Did you ever know Tibet was a terrible slaves land under dark religious control before Chinese central government liberated it from slave owners? Do you want to go back your western world's dark Middle Ages???

Thank's for repeating my wordsI thought it was worth saying twice too

>>i only ask you a simple question how many Irish are living in Northern Ireland<<

It's not a simple question because the definition of Irish is a difficult one. Do you mean: native Celtics living in the area before the plantation of Scots? Non-Scots when the plantations became part of the Kingdom of Scotland? Catholics before the time the English started interfering in the north? The Catholics when the Kingdoms of England and Scotland merged? Everyone in NI when England and Scotland merged? The Catholics after the merger of the British crown and the Irish crown? Everyone in Ireland in that period? The Catholics left in the predominantly Protestant 6 counties after partition in the 1920s? Everyone in the 6 counties after partition?

Which one of those do you consider to be Irish? Asking any of the modern groups would get different answers as to their numbers and their allegiences.

>>sorry we don't need to learn from NOrthern Ireland<<

Yeah, you do. We solved a deep and bitter dispute, where our military and civilians were in conflict. Issues of sovereignity and autonomy were resolved, and work has begun on sealing a deep religious divide. China could take a lot of this and use it on Tibet, to the benefit of all.

>>also i have rights to vote not-ccpers<<

No you don't, not really. If an election were called today, could Chinese people vote the CCP out of power? Could you get rid of them altogether?

>>It's not a simple question because the definition of Irish is a difficult one. Do you mean: native Celtics living in the area before the plantation of Scots? Non-Scots when the plantations became part of the Kingdom of Scotland? Catholics before the time the English started interfering in the north? The Catholics when the Kingdoms of England and Scotland merged? Everyone in NI when England and Scotland merged? The Catholics after the merger of the British crown and the Irish crown? Everyone in Ireland in that period? The Catholics left in the predominantly Protestant 6 counties after partition in the 1920s? Everyone in the 6 counties after partition?

Which one of those do you consider to be Irish? Asking any of the modern groups would get different answers as to their numbers and their allegiences.<<

of course Notthern Ireland is the six counties of Northeast Ireland.protestants believe in the United Kingdom. the populations of protestants who are mostly Scttish and English immigrants accountted for 58.4%.Catholic we call them Irish callaccounted for 38.8%, is a native of Ireland.

>>Yeah, you do. We solved a deep and bitter dispute, where our military and civilians were in conflict. Issues of sovereignity and autonomy were resolved, and work has begun on sealing a deep religious divide. China could take a lot of this and use it on Tibet, to the benefit of all.<<

no,thank you.we can create one country with two system for dealing with the Hongkang's problems,we aslo have the ability to handle the Xizang issues.here is not religious and cultural issues and just is the issue of sovereignty. i don't knwn whether you know "the Middle road "or "the high degree of autonomy"what Dalai Lama have demanded.the main content is:1,Tibet is a dependent country in her history and culture,not is a part of China.(you just ask Dalai Lama where his ttille-Dalai Lama came).2,China's army and the military facilities need withdrawl from the Tibet.(i don't know whether british army )stationed in the autonomy).3,Tibet can do with other countries or international organizations to maintain diplomatic relations.(i don't kown whether Scotland can do that).4, Including Qinghai, Gansu, Sichuan and Yunnan provinces, the Tibetan more than 240 million square kilometres of "Tibetan areas," a "genuine autonomy".(but never happened in the tibet's whole history).5,non-tibetans must be moved out from the tibetan areas.(i think Dalai Lama is a racial discrimination).

>>No you don't, not really. If an election were called today, could Chinese people vote the CCP out of power? Could you get rid of them altogether?<<
that is your thinking for eledtion not ours or mostly of ours. most of us don't believe that ccp need out of power,that also is a simple reason why ccp can control the mainland of CHina.what we understand vote may be different with yours,but that's our choice ,please repect our choice.

>>Catholic we call them Irish callaccounted for 38.8%, is a native of Ireland.<<

Why choose just the Catholics? The vast majority of both sides, Protestant and Catholic, were born on the island of Ireland - doesn't make them all Irish? Or, alternatively, the majority of both are citizens of the United Kingdom so doesn't make sense to call none of them Irish?

>>we can create one country with two system for dealing with the Hongkang's problems<<

Hong Kong's money has helped fuel China's stratospheric growth - the CCP would be beyond stupid to undermine that. But still they have, by systematically taking apart HK's limited democracy and making it more like China.

>>you just ask Dalai Lama where his ttille-Dalai Lama came<<

It means 'broad Ocean' - it's a Mongolian term that was created in the 1300s when Tibet, alongside China, was under Mongolian dominion. It also highlights Tibet as the birthplace of Bon, an animistic religion that was prominent in Mongolia and southern Siberia before Buddhism became dominant.

>>what Dalai Lama have demanded.the main content is:1,Tibet is a dependent country in her history and culture,not is a part of China.(you just ask Dalai Lama where his ttille-Dalai Lama came).2,China's army and the military facilities need withdrawl from the Tibet.(i don't know whether british army )stationed in the autonomy).3,Tibet can do with other countries or international organizations to maintain diplomatic relations.(i don't kown whether Scotland can do that).4, Including Qinghai, Gansu, Sichuan and Yunnan provinces, the Tibetan more than 240 million square kilometres of "Tibetan areas," a "genuine autonomy".(but never happened in the tibet's whole history).5,non-tibetans must be moved out from the tibetan areas.(i think Dalai Lama is a racial discrimination).<<

None of that is true, they are simply the lies spread by the CCP and its propagandists. He has said he would like autonomy within a democratic China. China would remain responsible for defense and foreign affairs.

>>but never happened in the tibet's whole history<<

Again, lies. Tibet has been independent a number of times, a well recorded fact. Please, go take your lies elsewhere as no-one here believes them.

>>that is your thinking for eledtion not ours or mostly of ours<<

Then you don't have free elections. That's fine, just don't call them elections and don't prentend that you are free, because you aren't.

>>but that's our choice ,please repect our choice.<<

It's not your choice. You don't have a choice. The CCP doesn't let you have one. It doesn't trust you, or care about what you actually want. If it was your choice you'd have an electoral system whereby you remove the CCP, or give them your overwhelming support. But you can't.

Tibet is part of China for thousands years. We need to make it clear that who killed whom. Is there any solid evidence showing Chinese policemen suppress monks? What we can see is some violent Tibetans killing Han Chinese!
Unfortunately, quite many westerns see China with perception and prejudice . I believe most of them do know really know China. They make the judgments base on media reports.

Think about it: what if a western white disable girl (on wheelchair) got assaulted in China? But same thing happened in Paris to a Chinese girl. And any response from Western Media? BBC? CNN?... NOTHING!

Support mutual understanding! Support Olympic! Support Beijing!

>>It means 'broad Ocean' - it's a Mongolian term that was created in the 1300s when Tibet, alongside China, was under Mongolian dominion. It also highlights Tibet as the birthplace of Bon, an animistic religion that was prominent in Mongolia and southern Siberia before Buddhism became dominant.<<

After Mongolian Empire collapsed, China inherited the Tibet territory. From Ming Dynasty (AD1300) to Qing Dynasty (till AD1910), Tibet has been in the territory of China.

If you have had more Chinese history knowledges, you can find more similar cases: Yunnan province was also 'occupied' by Mongolians and inherited by China's Ming Dynasty; China's northeast land was annexed into China during Qing Dynasty, ... and more and more examples.

If you want to use them under Human Right excuses to challenge Chinese government, then congratulations, too many cases available for you to leverage. China's big territory was not formed overnight, people didn't say: hey, guys, let's form a super country from scraps. On contrary, during the long history, many minorities accepted Chinese culture and joined this big, noble nation.


>>None of that is true, they are simply the lies spread by the CCP and its propagandists. He has said he would like autonomy within a democratic China. China would remain responsible for defense and foreign affairs.<<

What fact you can bring with to say they are all lies???? Why CCP's remarks MUST be lies, while Dalai Lama's remarks MUST be truth?

Dalai Lama's 'autonomy' is not the thing you think it be - his autonomy means all above 4 points including: cut neighboring princes' land into current Tibet and make his Tibet 1/4 of China's total land!!! And expel all Han Chinese out of Tibet's land!!! Isn't that kind of remarks be blamed too in you western world?