h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Entry: Flamenco & Picasso - A6864285
Author: Little Richardjohn - U1244517

Originally conceived as an introduction to flamenco for visitors to an exhibition of Sir Richard Attenborough's collection of Picasso Ceramics.

I think that it may have worked better as an introduction - I know nothing about flamenco, but I'm not really sure what you're trying to say with this entry.

It seems to be more about ideas than anything concrete, or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

It is definitely about ideas, and is very compressed, probably to the the point of being cryptic.

C'est la internet.

Which aspects in particular did you find unclear? I can use any feedback to draw the lines between the dots.

It's really difficult to know what to say about this without it potentially coming across as more negative than I'd like.

I'm not sure this works as an h2g2 entry as it stands though. It might work better if it was an examination of something more tangible - such as examples of how Picasso's work displays his love for flamenco: which pieces illustrate this best; any direct quotes from him or from recognised academics on the subject about the connection; how this passion grew or decreased over his life.

I think I can sum this up by saying that, thanks to this piece, I now know that Picasso liked Flameco, but I still don't know how you know this or why it's of particular interest above and beyond his love for a particular meal, a piece of music or a sporting team.

On that score, I'm afraid I can't see this entry progressing into the Edited Guide as it currently stands. Thanks very much for bringing it to us though, and if you find you have more time to work on it, I'd love to see how it progresses.

Jimster
h2g2 Editorial team

I didn't quote any sources as such, but I think you'll find verification of the basic assertions in the first volume of John Richardson's biography.

The concept of duende is not something which provides concrete evidence. It is like The Blues.

Why it is of interest is that it points to a crucuial cultural synthesis in Picasso's makeup. One which has not been sufficiently acknowledged, and which made a major underground contribution to western culture and one which should therefore be open for as much exploration by as many people as are interested. Which means listening to flamenco - which not enough people do with any attention, and dismissing the sterotypes of flamenco - which is always difficult in a media world which demands rigid categorisation.

I would be sad to learn that this hypothesis had not encouraged anyone to listen to flamenco with a new ear, or look at a Picasso with a new eye.

Hi LR,

Would you be willing to put this in the writing workshop? I would love to see this entry in the EG as it opens up a whole new spectrum of understanding in the arts... but I also think there is a fair amount of work to be done on it before it is ready to submit. The WW is a good place, you'd get loads of help and when it is more or less ready you can bring it back here. PR is for final tweaks (more or less).

What do you say?

Wilma

Fine. What do I do next?
It was only ever intended as an experiment, with some facts (The John Richardson testimony) combined with my own experience of listening to flamenco and working with flamenco artists.

I feel there is a genuine synthesis here, and one which is about more than just Andalus culture.

If someone could pick up this ball and run with it, that would make me very happy.

Hi LR,

I am really glad you want to develop this. Have a look at the Edited Guide Writing Workshop here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/RF2

What you need to do is go into the edit view of your entry and take it out of PR by clicking on "not for review" and then resubmitting it all over again to the EGWW - when you are submitting an entry, you have a choice of places to submit it to.

I have not been active in the workshop but I will meet you there

Wilma

The trick is to imagine this from the point of view of someone who knows nothing about it. Not so much dumbing down as writing from a wider perspective. You clearly know your stuff, so it'd be great to see if collaborating with someone else might be able to bring this out and make it more inclusive.

Best of luck,

Jimster

I remember this from before.

I click on 'not for review', but the fabled 'Submit For Review' button still refuses to appear.
So no drop down menu for EGWW.

Where is it?

It takes time for the h2g2 database to update itself and put the 'Submit for Review' button back on the entry.

Hi LR,
When you click "not for review" do you then update the entry?
Wilma

Oh yes.

I haven't checked yet today, but the Subit For review link still wasn't visible last night.

As soon as it turns up, I'll get it sorted.

See you soon.

The submit button hasn't appeared yet because it's still in Peer Review.

If you go to the Peer Review page (there's a link in the left-hand margin) and scan through the entries, you'll find that your entry is the only one that you can remove. There'll be a little 'x' next to it. Just click that and it will remove it from Peer Review. You might have to scroll through a couple of pages to find it, but it will be there.

From there, you can either continue to work on it or, if you'd like to leave it for someone else to work on, you can unclick 'Not for Review' in the editing window and then submit it to the Flea market or Writing Workshop.

... or submit it to the edited guide writing workshop
W

About how long does it take for the 'Submit for review' button to reappear about?

Firstly, have you followed Jimster's instructions in post 15?

Ah, yes you have - the entry is no longer in PR.

As to how long before the button reappears.... how long is a piece of string?

No BH, the submit for review button appears immediately on update.

Little Richardjohn, you've not completed the process Jimster outlined in post 15. What you need to do is this:
1) click on the 'Edit Entry' button, which will take you to the 'Update Guide Entry' screen.
2) near the botton this screen there is tick box labelled 'Not for review'. Make sure that it is unticked.
3) click on the button above it marked 'Update Entry'. This takes you back to the entry where you should now see the 'Submit for review'.
4) click on this and you'll go to a page headed 'Submit for review'.
5) from the drop down menu choose 'Edited Guide Writing Workshop', fill a bit of blurb about your entry in the text box. Then hit the 'Submit Guide Entry' button.