h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

I'm sure this should be able to be done, but if I switch off the images in Mozilla I can't sem to get the image placeholders(?term) and the alts showig as I do in IE - I wanted to show someone why alts were important as when you have no graphics you still see the alts, but in Mozilla I couldn't get it to happen.

Using last weeks overnight build and 1.3.

Cheers

CH

No, it doesn't seem to show alts...

Mmmm so they make a big thing about not using alts for tooltis and then no obvious way of showing alt as an ALTernative to the image.

Odd



CH

Mozilla is a graphical browser, why would anyone want to switch images off

That said I think it shoud show them (and link them to the 'longdesc' where used. So I suggest a visit over to "Bugzilla" to report this.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi


It is important to use Alt's properly for those that use genuine text only browsers that have no image support AND more importantly for those with Accessibility problems.

You turn them off so the web pages load within a reasonable time on your 14.4k modem. Well, that used to be the reason.


http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41924

Toward the end they are discussing how Mozilla fails to show the alt tags when images are turned off, and how they need to proceed.

I'm sure they use Alt in the right way, at least they do on my Linux version...

Use Title tag for Tooltips.

-- DoctorMO --

It's not the tooltips that is an issue, it is showing something when the image is either blocked, or missing - they appear to accept they should do something, but the "bug" is listed as a fix in "The future"

Cheers

CH

It's probably marked as future because there is a list of bugs (at the top of that page) that need to be fixed first. Otherwise it is marked as priority "P1" and "Major" severity.

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180620 is probably the one I'd like to see sorted and that has nothing dependant on it - we'll see.

Cheers

CH

Use Lynx if it's realy bugging you. or get Linux, for some reason it works there, I'm sure it does.

-- DoctorMO --

doesn't really bug me, but was slightly anoying to have to use IE to show someone the effectiveness of ALTs and how they differ from TITLEs

Cheers

CH

I know, I'm quite suprised by that. seems an important part of the W3C spec.

-- DoctorMO --

makes their (Mozilla.org's) insistance that ALTs don't make tool tips as w3c say (deabatable point) that they aren't for that a bit silly as currently they don' actullay do much at all.



CH

well they aint, Alt tags for Alternate Text, and Title Tags for Tooltips and Speach impeared computer thingies.

-- DoctorMO --

I'm amazed you could understand my last post - how many typos in a post?

I recently ran my page though a screen reader, the problem with having ALTs and TITLEs is the reader read both out, as my ALTs and TITLE are the same it did sound a bit silly, but I guess these things have settings and so forth to stop this.

CH

It should be cleaver than that, if(Title tag) Use Title Tag, else USE alt tag.

-- DoctorMO --

"cleaver" my bad spelling is catching.

The reader I used was pw webspeak - couldn't see any settings.

CH

yes I know, it's not a cleaver, not a meat cleaver by any disciption

shouldn't be settings, should be built in to be smart.

-- DoctorMO --

A Mozilla meat cleaver? Why not! Perhaps I'll file a "request for enhancement" bug. I bet there are requests for stranger things.

We want a Mozilla Cleaver, the ability for mozilla to toaly chop IE it's little pices so it may never load again, only when called as a File Browser and even then restrict the net.

-- DoctorMO --