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minorvogonpoet Started conversation Mar 19, 2011
Entry: Funeral Flowers - A82714214
Author: minorvogonpoet - U3099090
After the tributes posted by cactuscafe and Dmitri, I thought I'd post this elegiac piece.
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Mar 19, 2011
Thanks for sharing this one. It tells a complicated story, but it tells it well. I like the way you suggest the solution to the question in your title.
Just to help us follow, I think it would be helpful it you put some kind of visual caesura to set off the flashback. I stumbled a bit when reading.
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minorvogonpoet Posted Mar 20, 2011
Thanks Dmitri. I have added a couple of lines of stars to make the breaks.
My own view about this story is that it is too short for the number of characters. I suppose I could extend it, but I'm working on other things at the moment.
That makes me sound like a proper writer!
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cactuscafe Posted Mar 27, 2011
Elegiac. Great word. Elegiac. I must think about this word.
I got really involved with this pieace, mvp. Hah! So involved, in fact, that I am going to check to see if there really is a Movenpick Cafe in Victoria, so's I can go meet Colin there, as I have further questions to ask him about all this. .
Then I say to myself, hang on kid, you are getting your realities mixed up, or am I?? haha. Its good when you forget if characters (or cafes) are real or in a story.
I wonder how your writing course is going, by the way?
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minorvogonpoet Posted Apr 7, 2011
Hi, cactuscafe.
The Movenpick went, to be replaced by a gym, I'm afraid.
The course has picked up, after a rather dull first term. We're a mixed bunch of people - some of the students hadn't done any creative writing before, while others are well through their novels.
I gaily set out on a story called 'Dreaming in Stone'. I had a sort of plot and some fairly boring characters, but I've got to the point that I need to give my anti-hero bi-polar disorder for the plot to work. As one does .
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aka Bel - A87832164 Posted Apr 7, 2011
Good that this was bumped up, I had missed it. What a beautiful and sad story, MVP.
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cactuscafe Posted Apr 8, 2011
Ah yes. And hullo mvp! and Bel and DG and everyone. . Interesting about the Movenpick Cafe. I never went to a Movenpick Cafe. And now the one in Victoria is a gym. Where the ghosts of former incarnations sweat it out. huh? That would be a good story. Not as good as an anti-hero with bi-polar tendencies.
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You know, I never know what an anti-hero is. Could someone explain? I am in love with the thought of an anti-hero. In fact I think I am in love with an actual anti-hero, but I don't know what it is. Has anyone got any examples from literature, of a classic anti-hero?
This will take my mind off thinking about an advert for something that is un-advertisable (see ) It is such a marvellous concept, it infests my dreams, but sigh oh sigh, my pen cannot find the way. Yet. I need an anti-hero on a Harley to whisk me away into the desert of lizards. Or maybe that's a hero.
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Apr 8, 2011
Anti-hero? Er, maybe Alfie? Remember him - the 'bird'-watcher/chaser?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuxPmfuGZxQ&NR=1
Or, your favourite actor (this to cc), lending his famous profile (all ladies ) to the most infamous anti-hero of all time, Captain MacHeath, here seen in a Peter Brook production:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2E7p59sRvQ
Mackie, of course, got translated into German.
Here's Sting doing him, bravely:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YokJ2BbdwdU&feature=related
Dexter's sort of an anti-hero. (Dexter, in case you don't know, is a successful serial killer with a day job working for the Miami police):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d99AvSk75U
As to adverts: WE WANT MORE. We have several, but WE WANT MORE.
Remember: adverts include jingles, and above all - ART. Draw, you people - otherwise, is stuck with my visuals.
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cactuscafe Posted Apr 9, 2011
Whoah.
. This is an intense mix of anti-heroes, and all before breakfast.
. Thankyou thankyou friend, for your time. Now I am starting to realise all things about the anti-hero! Hmm. The brainlight just dawned. Although I'm not having the vapours right now about my so called fave actor. hahah. Perhaps I need more coffee.
. Or less coffee.
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I realise I grew up with anti-heroes. I just didn't know that they were called anti-heroes. Ah Columbo! Columbo! Anti-hero and inspiration of my youth. And I still love him now. Do so. So there. In fact, I cannot imagine life without anti-heroes.
And then there's that mysterious anti-hero in my head, haunting my dreams, who somehow guides the story - ah yes yes - except where is he/she now, just when I need that enigmatic anti-hero anti-ad ad art. .
Funny thing, I love ads. Full of heroes and anti-heroes. To me, Flat Eric and Angel were the ultimate anti-heroes, even though they were advertising very famous jeans. .
Hmm.
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Apr 9, 2011
I don't know if I'd call Colombo an anti-hero - more an unusual sort of hero. After all, Colombo catches the murderer - and he/she is usually grateful for the closure.
I think he's more the embodiment of the Hound of Heaven...sort of the Bloodhound of Heaven. (I don't believe I said that.)
Last night, we watched 'The Prince of Homburg' - the 1977 production filmed at the Biltmore House in North Carolina, with Frank Langella. (Not the UK production from last year, which sounds frankly horrible.) Someone wrote, rightly I think, that von Kleist was a pre-modern postmodernist. His Prince starts out like an anti-hero (he has the NERVE not to want to be shot for a reason so silly only a Prussian would think of it in the first place), but ends up as a glorious dharma hero. And it's all about dreaming and reality...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjqo3lS2QRs
MVP, I apologise. CC and I have got started, you see, and done something awful to your thread that has a word in German (Zweckentfremdung), but none in English. (Roughly, it means doing what you do when you use a tennis racket to strain spaghetti...)
We are terrible.
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minorvogonpoet Posted Apr 9, 2011
You've lost me a bit - especially as the sound isn't working on my computer at the moment .
Great Anti-heroes? Heathcliff perhaps. Terry Pratchett's Rincewind?
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cactuscafe Posted Apr 9, 2011
Oops sorry. I posted an empty post. . That is the most silent post I ever did.
. Ah peace at last.
Amidst the tennis racket that strains spaghetti. And the Bloodhound of Heaven hahahah
. I will see you on email about that one, mister. hahaha.
Heathcliff! Heathcliff! Ah yes. Yes! I don't know Rincewind.
Columbo isn't an anti-hero?? I am gutted. . Just when I thought I was getting it. Does an anti-hero have to be a bit dodgy then? Or dodgy made good?
What about Gregor Samsa? (as in Kafka/The Metamorphosis). He must be an anti-hero. No hero could be so insecty. . I love Gregor.
hmm. I go I go. Off to drink brandy and consider the Prince of Homburg and some other things.
Write on, writers!
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- 1: minorvogonpoet (Mar 19, 2011)
- 2: Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor (Mar 19, 2011)
- 3: minorvogonpoet (Mar 20, 2011)
- 4: cactuscafe (Mar 27, 2011)
- 5: minorvogonpoet (Apr 7, 2011)
- 6: Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor (Apr 7, 2011)
- 7: aka Bel - A87832164 (Apr 7, 2011)
- 8: cactuscafe (Apr 8, 2011)
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