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minorvogonpoet

Entry: Funeral Flowers - A82714214
Author: minorvogonpoet - U3099090

After the tributes posted by cactuscafe and Dmitri, I thought I'd post this elegiac piece.


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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

Thanks for sharing this one. smiley - smiley It tells a complicated story, but it tells it well. I like the way you suggest the solution to the question in your title.

Just to help us follow, I think it would be helpful it you put some kind of visual caesura to set off the flashback. I stumbled a bit when reading.


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Post 3

minorvogonpoet

Thanks Dmitri. smiley - smiley I have added a couple of lines of stars to make the breaks.

My own view about this story is that it is too short for the number of characters. I suppose I could extend it, but I'm working on other things at the moment.

That makes me sound like a proper writer! smiley - laugh


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Post 4

cactuscafe

Elegiac. Great word. Elegiac. I must think about this word.

I got really involved with this pieace, mvp. Hah! So involved, in fact, that I am going to check to see if there really is a Movenpick Cafe in Victoria, so's I can go meet Colin there, as I have further questions to ask him about all this. smiley - rofl.

Then I say to myself, hang on kid, you are getting your realities mixed up, or am I?? haha. Its good when you forget if characters (or cafes) are real or in a story.

I wonder how your writing course is going, by the way?

h smiley - biro


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Post 5

minorvogonpoet

Hi, cactuscafe.

The Movenpick went, to be replaced by a gym, I'm afraid. smiley - sadface

The course has picked up, after a rather dull first term. We're a mixed bunch of people - some of the students hadn't done any creative writing before, while others are well through their novels.

I gaily set out on a story called 'Dreaming in Stone'. I had a sort of plot and some fairly boring characters, but I've got to the point that I need to give my anti-hero bi-polar disorder for the plot to work. As one does smiley - evilgrin.


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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

smiley - rofl I love it.


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aka Bel - A87832164

Good that this was bumped up, I had missed it. What a beautiful and sad story, MVP.


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Post 8

cactuscafe

Ah yes. And hullo mvp! and Bel and DG and everyone. smiley - kiss. Interesting about the Movenpick Cafe. I never went to a Movenpick Cafe. And now the one in Victoria is a gym. Where the ghosts of former incarnations sweat it out. huh? That would be a good story. Not as good as an anti-hero with bi-polar tendencies. smiley - rofl.

You know, I never know what an anti-hero is. Could someone explain? I am in love with the thought of an anti-hero. In fact I think I am in love with an actual anti-hero, but I don't know what it is. Has anyone got any examples from literature, of a classic anti-hero?

This will take my mind off thinking about an advert for something that is un-advertisable (see smiley - thepost) It is such a marvellous concept, it infests my dreams, but sigh oh sigh, my pen cannot find the way. Yet. I need an anti-hero on a Harley to whisk me away into the desert of lizards. Or maybe that's a hero. smiley - rofl.

H smiley - choc


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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

Anti-hero? Er, maybe Alfie? Remember him - the 'bird'-watcher/chaser?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuxPmfuGZxQ&NR=1

Or, your favourite actor (this to cc), lending his famous profile (all ladies smiley - sigh) to the most infamous anti-hero of all time, Captain MacHeath, here seen in a Peter Brook production:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2E7p59sRvQ

Mackie, of course, got translated into German.
Here's Sting doing him, bravely:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YokJ2BbdwdU&feature=related

Dexter's sort of an anti-hero. (Dexter, in case you don't know, is a successful serial killer with a day job working for the Miami police):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d99AvSk75U

As to adverts: WE WANT MORE. We have several, but WE WANT MORE.

Remember: adverts include jingles, and above all - ART. Draw, you people - otherwise, smiley - thepost is stuck with my visuals.


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Post 10

cactuscafe

smiley - coffee Whoah. smiley - rofl. This is an intense mix of anti-heroes, and all before breakfast. smiley - rofl. Thankyou thankyou friend, for your time. Now I am starting to realise all things about the anti-hero! Hmm. The brainlight just dawned. Although I'm not having the vapours right now about my so called fave actor. hahah. Perhaps I need more coffee. smiley - coffee. Or less coffee. smiley - rofl.

I realise I grew up with anti-heroes. I just didn't know that they were called anti-heroes. Ah Columbo! Columbo! Anti-hero and inspiration of my youth. And I still love him now. Do so. So there. In fact, I cannot imagine life without anti-heroes.

And then there's that mysterious anti-hero in my head, haunting my dreams, who somehow guides the story - ah yes yes - except where is he/she now, just when I need that enigmatic anti-hero anti-ad ad art. smiley - rofl.

Funny thing, I love ads. Full of heroes and anti-heroes. To me, Flat Eric and Angel were the ultimate anti-heroes, even though they were advertising very famous jeans. smiley - love.

Hmm.


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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

I don't know if I'd call Colombo an anti-hero - more an unusual sort of hero. smiley - laugh After all, Colombo catches the murderer - and he/she is usually grateful for the closure. smiley - whistle

I think he's more the embodiment of the Hound of Heaven...sort of the Bloodhound of Heaven. (I don't believe I said that.smiley - blush)

Last night, we watched 'The Prince of Homburg' - the 1977 production filmed at the Biltmore House in North Carolina, with Frank Langella. (Not the UK production from last year, which sounds frankly horrible.) Someone wrote, rightly I think, that von Kleist was a pre-modern postmodernist. His Prince starts out like an anti-hero (he has the NERVE not to want to be shot for a reason so silly only a Prussian would think of it in the first place), but ends up as a glorious dharma hero. And it's all about dreaming and reality...smiley - whistle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjqo3lS2QRs

MVP, I apologise. CC and I have got started, you see, and done something awful to your thread that has a word in German (Zweckentfremdung), but none in English. (Roughly, it means doing what you do when you use a tennis racket to strain spaghetti...smiley - whistle)

We are terrible.


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Post 12

minorvogonpoet

You've lost me a bit - especially as the sound isn't working on my computer at the moment smiley - doh.

Great Anti-heroes? Heathcliff perhaps. Terry Pratchett's Rincewind?


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Post 13

Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

Oh, good ones, MVP. smiley - smiley


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cactuscafe


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Post 15

cactuscafe

Oops sorry. I posted an empty post. smiley - rofl. That is the most silent post I ever did. smiley - rofl. Ah peace at last. smiley - rofl Amidst the tennis racket that strains spaghetti. And the Bloodhound of Heaven hahahah smiley - rofl. I will see you on email about that one, mister. hahaha.
Heathcliff! Heathcliff! Ah yes. Yes! I don't know Rincewind.

Columbo isn't an anti-hero?? I am gutted. smiley - wah. Just when I thought I was getting it. Does an anti-hero have to be a bit dodgy then? Or dodgy made good?

What about Gregor Samsa? (as in Kafka/The Metamorphosis). He must be an anti-hero. No hero could be so insecty. smiley - love. I love Gregor.

hmm. I go I go. Off to drink brandy and consider the Prince of Homburg and some other things.

Write on, writers! smiley - ok

cc



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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor

smiley - rofl


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