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HTML Help - Frames

Post 21

Pastey

Technically it won't work. Although there are a few things that slip past the parser.

smiley - rose


HTML Help - Frames

Post 22

DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist)

I bet the tags don't though smiley - winkeye

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HTML Help - Frames

Post 23

Pastey

No the tags don't. smiley - biggrin

smiley - rose


HTML Help - Frames

Post 24

DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist)

probly not the events either.

OnMouseOver anyone¿

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HTML Help - Frames

Post 25

Ion the Naysayer

DocMO,

Opening new windows is fairly easy in JavaScript. window.new, I believe (though it's been a while since I've used client side scripting - if the client can see it, the client can break it). It has to be called from an event handler such as onClick. Oh, and Mozilla based browsers will ignore any new window call in certain event handlers (like onLoad or onUnload) if you have popup stopping enabled.

My statement that a new window opens is based on experience with frames in Netscape 4, so...

I never use frames or multiple windows anymore because it's rarely good design.


HTML Help - Frames

Post 26

DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist)

sometimes frames are a good idea, I hear that using too many tables can realy be a crutch for menus anyway.

-- DoctorMO --


HTML Help - Frames

Post 27

Ion the Naysayer

Tables? Who uses tables? smiley - winkeye

I've moved to XHTML 1.0 and CSS for layout. Much tastier.


HTML Help - Frames

Post 28

Pastey

I use tables, css can only do so much, and isn't as fliud as tables.

smiley - rose


HTML Help - Frames

Post 29

DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist)

I must still be missing a link in my knolage, I thought xml was for databasing, so whats xhtml? extra?

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HTML Help - Frames

Post 30

Ion the Naysayer

*whew* Pastey, you haven't looked much at CSS2, have you?

CSS give you _much_ more fine grained control over every aspect of how your layout is drawn. Using s and % widths I've been able to convert every table based layout I've used over to CSS and have it look and function the same and instead of tables within tables I have:


Header Stuff


Content goes here
Navigation links


Footer Stuff


Much simpler than the equivalent table layout, no?

Plus you can move the navigation to either right or left side with one CSS param. You can even make styling images correct themselves depending on whether you use left or right navigation. And it's user configurable. And it degrades beautifully under older (or even text based) browsers. And it's more accessible because the repetitive navigation links are after the content in the structure.

I could go on and on about all the things CSS can do that tables can't but I'll spare you. Tables are good for data. Tables are not good for layout. I've used both. I'll never go back.


HTML Help - Frames

Post 31

Ion the Naysayer

XML is just a set of rules for defining data structures. HTML is just a data structure, after all.

XHTML is a reformulation of HTML 4.01 into XML. XHTML is replacing HTML 4.01, at least in theory.

See: F75855?thread=209464&skip=20&show=20 and related links.
Also: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/


HTML Help - Frames

Post 32

DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist)

Oh I see, yes I've used them before for a menu system.

-- DoctorMO --


XHTML

Post 33

Ion the Naysayer

Here's a better (more specific, more relevant) link for XHTML:
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1

This is the W3C's official XHTML recommendation. This one is pretty readable. Some of the others I've tried to read... well... smiley - headhurts.


XHTML

Post 34

DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist)

Ah yes, many thanks friend. I have had a good read and I've bookmarked.

is there anything the W3C can't do?

-- DoctorMO --


XHTML

Post 35

Ion the Naysayer

No prob!

I'm beginning to wonder about that myself. They recently voted to keep non-free patents out of all their recommendations which puts them a few more points up on the respect-o-meter.


XHTML

Post 36

DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist)

I respect them, and that just goes to show what a body of people who have there minds set on the betterment of the web can do. thank god for W3C (oh and konqueror, I'm sure these follow W3C member around finding new featurs to add)

-- DoctorMO --


XHTML

Post 37

some bloke who tried to think of a short, catchy, pithy name and spent five sleepless nights trying but couldn't think of one

>> is there anything the W3C can't do?

Convince micro$**t to follow standards...


XHTML

Post 38

DoctorMO (Keeper of the Computer, Guru, Community Artist)

probly, just give them time smiley - laugh

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