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Entry: STV - the Single Transferable Vote - A58593180
Author: (beanbags be born) - U14077177

A flea market rescue
Original entry STV : A4199141

One particular concern i have would be any americanisms as i use a US spell checker so they are probably around somewhere.
Any links would be welcome.

Finally could someone check my guideml - particularly round the tables.
Other than that - enjoy

Quick comment: the names of the houses of the Irish parliament are not usually prefixed with /the/.

Other than that, no obvious problems on a quick-scan through. I'm not sure about the idea of using hootoo researcher names as examples, though. I think a John Doe/Jane Smith approach might be better. Or perhaps Trillian/Arthur/Zaphod.

TRiG.

Have removed the thes - something that i never knew.

I thought that the names add a certain jokeyness to those that know about it - what if I removed the info about it being favourite hootoo denziens - leaving just the names?

I'd say /the Dail/ and /the Seanad/, but /Dail Eireann/ and /Seanad Eireann/. And I think RTE newsreaders would agree with me. (I'm too lazy to put in the fadas (diacritics: acute accents), and they don't work properly in hootoo conversations anyway.)

Yes, the names are jokey. I'm not sure whether they're too jokey. Leave them for now: wait for a second or a third opinion. Ultimately, it's your decision (for as long as it's in PR: after that, it's the Eds' decision).

TRiG.

so the "the"s are needed if you dont use the full titles of the houses?

That's just the way I've seen the phrases used in Irish newspapers and the way I've heard them said on RTE radio. It doesn't make much sense when you think about it, but that's the way language works, innit?

TRiG.

If I am the Mouse in question then you should best know that I'm a girl apart from that I don't mind winning the election

mini

ah dammit
Yep will change that in a minute

I felt it best to bow to your overwhelming popularity

All done
Mouse is no longer a man (I think)

I don't like the bit about what you need to do before you vote ... it really has nowthing to do with STV as a system and is more about voting in general

I thought that it gave a bit more depth to it - a little bit of general voting seemed to link in with specific voting rules.

What do other people think? If im in a minority than ill be happy to take it out.

my main concern with it was (aside from diversionary) that it was a bit anglocentric. considering that for the majority of uk votes, STV is not used, it seemed a bit of an odd thign to put in

I'm not a voting systems expert, so I dont' know exactly which countries have what rules about not being a fellon / how long people have sepnt in prison / rules for ex-offenders. For insatnce, in Florida, it was enough to just have a similar name / address as a former criminal to be bumped off the voting register.

Other countries, I assume, still have different rules for men and women

An entry that lists requirments / talks about restrictions to be able to vote in various countries would actually be a great idea for an entry

im tempted to do a set of entries on different voting systems:
First pass the post
STV
Other forms of proportional representation (du honte etc)
Voting requirements would make a good addition.

Then i'd just need one more to make 5.

However this would take a long time and im not sure id have the patience for it - would prevent me making other entries for some time.

In any case i would like at least a smal general votinng requirement section for this one - but i do see a need for a non-anglocentric theme to it.
Hmmm will come back to this question tommorrow.

Hi,


The main voting criteria are age and residency. If you're including European parliment elections, you don't have to be a national of the country but of the EU itself; voting criteria still(?) differ from EU country to EU country the last I heard, but the idea is you're eligible to vote somewhere in 'EU' elections if you are a national of a EU country.

Note that in some countries, some foriegners can vote in some elections (eg long-term residents in very 'local' elections).
If you try to be all-encompassing, the focus of your entry will change. I'd advise keeping 'voter criteria' short and sweet whether UK-centric or not.

As regards the Entry as is. I dislike the 1st sentence, I don't consider it true (as shown by your example in fact). To be perfectly honest, I don't find the example very clear either ( mebbe that's just me), particularly when the 'rounds' get involved in a once-only voting system.

I know this entry is a flea market rescue but tempting as it must be to do a 'minimum' polish, I think a little extra work could make it into something good.

I hope I haven't put you off because getting this entry up to scratch would, I'm sure, hone your skills and establish a great 'reference' entry.

Feel free to disregard, roll your eyes or at the darn thing

Errrrrrrrr.... those should have been , assume my eyes aren't in fact fully open yet

IF you look at the original entry then this has had a more than a minimum redo.
The example is as clear as can be done with a table, a picture would be better but we can't add them in and I dont want to go off site for it.
Agrred that the requirements for voting need redoing to be more general for other countires. First line is true STV is a form of PR, albeit one with more differences than most.
Can you specify areas that need work on, even if you indidcate whole paragrahps - just a general go out and fix it is pretty useless to me i'm afraid.

you did the rescue not me!

And I did look at the original entry.

The very first sentence says "The Single Transferable Vote (STV) is a form of Proportional Representation."
No, it's not, it's a way of voting. It's a voting method that may facilitate proportional representation.
The example you give (most popular h2g2 person) underlines my point, one person can not embody proportional representation.

My remarks are on a take or leave 'em basis. If you're happy with the apparent contradiction in your text, fine by me.

>>"The Single Transferable Vote (STV) is a form of Proportional Representation."<<

W*k* among other sites, says it is a form of Proportional Representation.

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:g481l2u7ytoJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote+the+single+transferable+vote+system&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

I am enjoying this entry, as it explains some things I hadn't noticed before

btw.. I demand recount!!

Thanks lil, STV is a form of PR voting.
The title of the table is indeed slightly wrong in that its not the favourite h2g2 denzien (which i plan to remove, leaving just the names) but the top three - which does make it proportional.

It is interesting lil how mouse managed to get herself so many votes, allegations of rigging have already been made and we will be investigating.

Thanks for the link Lil...

"The Single transferable vote (STV) is a system of preferential **voting** designed to minimize "wasted" votes and provide proportional representation while ensuring that votes are explicitly expressed for individual candidates rather than for party lists. [....] (STV **can also be used** with single-member constituencies, where it produces results similar to those of a two-round electoral system, rather than proportional representation.)"
(my ****)


I have no problem with the Wiki explanation, which also mentions its other use (which, as it happens, corresponds to nbb's example).

I still vote for Lil (and am jealous of all the pretty colours on the linked article)