A Conversation for The development of Toilets and Sanitation
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Dr Hell Started conversation Jul 18, 2001
http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A583382
As the title says, this entry is a historical review of toilets - one of the cardinal inventions of mankind. It's not focussed on behaviour and on the more modern environmental problems, it's just the history of the development, and it gives some reasons why it took so long to be invented...
I'll be glad to hear comments,
HELL
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Fizzabert Posted Jul 18, 2001
Hi! Fancy meeting you here!
I like the article, though I don't know that much info, I think there's a type of flush toilet that came before the one with a chain to pull. I saw it in a museum - there was a kind of bucket at the back (on a pivot) which constantly filled with water and then when it was full enough the weight of the water made it swing over and pour down the toilet. (I don't know if you really should include this but anyway...!)
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Dr Hell Posted Jul 18, 2001
Hey Hello Liz... Now it's your turn to shred an entry apart.
The bucket-toilet you mentioned is probably 'just' a curiosum that came before the chain-pulling-type toilet. The problem was to automate the disposal of water of the valve-type toilet... And obviously many people got creative. I am sure there are many other toilet-like paraphernalia from that time that just didn't make it to our times. I just wanted to concentrate on the major cornerstones of toilet invention, for that reason not all toilet-like gizmos have been included...
Glad you liked the entry,
HELL
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Monsignore Pizzafunghi Bosselese Posted Jul 18, 2001
Very impressive entry, and really not a heap of s***, err, sorry
'realise' etc.: AFAIK we're using british english around here
Just a few ideas (and I promise I did *not* study that!) :
The Romans collected urine and used it for washing their clothes (they had realised that some acid/base therein makes a good cleaning agent). Of course they rinsed with fresh water afterwards.
Medieval castles had projecting alcoves and the rest can be summed up with the word "plummeting".
In medieval cities kissing late at night in the entry of a house was dangerous, as you ran the danger of being showered with feces. Some cities issued laws which prescribed a cry of warning before emptying the pot into the street.
The palace of Versailles was equipped with chairs with a hole and a pot in them. Before that, even the King would use a remote corner of a floor which would eventually be mucked out when the stench got too heavy.
In Italy and other places you can find the 'Ritirata', a hole in the ground with water flushing on command. More hygienic than anything found in roadhouses along motorways and Autobahns today (I just received the latest issue of the ADAC motorist club, with test results... )
Just another useless fact: these days, every modern WC is put to the factory test, with ... sausages!
Bossel (Scout)
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Ausnahmsweise, wie üblich (Consistently inconsistent) Posted Jul 18, 2001
Hey - you guys - I'm trying to eat my lunch!
(I'll study the entry later.)
A583382 The Development of Toilets
il viaggiatore Posted Jul 18, 2001
Excellent!
Just a couple errors though:
"milleniums" should be "millennia"
"few is known" should be "little is knowm"
and
"...and dirty was not regarded to as being..." should be "...and dirty was not regarded as being..."
Good job!
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Dr Hell Posted Jul 18, 2001
OK sorry again for my non-native english I'll be correcting all that tomorrow.
Glad you all liked it so far
Bossel - there's some very useful s*** in your post. May I incorporate some of your input?
Thanks,
*you'll never s*** the same after reading this entry*
See y'all tomorrow
HELL
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Hoovooloo Posted Jul 18, 2001
Hi Hell, good entry as usual!
Am I the only person disturbed by the information that the flush toilet was invented in 1830 and toilet paper was invented in 1857...?
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Dr Hell Posted Jul 18, 2001
Keep your antennas up. I'm planning an entry on ablution techniques - You wouldn't believe what people used...
Bye,
HELL
PS: Hey Hoovooloo, at least there's no fundamental force involved in here this time
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Monsignore Pizzafunghi Bosselese Posted Jul 18, 2001
Yes, take as much of the **** as you like
Why on Earth do I get the feeling that this thread is going to attract lots of puns?
Have a ... beer!
Bossel
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Hoovooloo Posted Jul 18, 2001
On a serious note - or at least as serious as this is likely to get - I think some mention of a man (I think erroneously) credited with inventing the flush toilet is needed, if only because his name was Thomas Crapper.
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Witty Ditty Posted Jul 18, 2001
Hiya!
Yep, the guy was indeed called T. Crapper; I think he developed the u-bend as well too - I could be wrong....
Lovely entry; I like this
You're definitely a person who knows your s**t
Stay ,
WD (knows that she is one letter away from being something else completely)
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Dr Hell Posted Jul 19, 2001
VD where did you get that from? Sometimes in english it's the abbreviation for venereal disease - but you probably know that.
Maybe you meant WD, which is - i assume - the signature of Witty Ditty (from the initials)
Or maybe you were joking and I didn't get it... Anyways.
I'll have some look at the Crapper thing. When do you say he invented the flush-type toilet?
Here I go, down the drain....
HELL
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Dr Hell Posted Jul 19, 2001
Flushed away some typos
Added a paragraph w/ Bossel's medieval Stuff
Added Thomas Crapper myth
*flushshshsh*
HELL
A583382 The Development of Toilets
il viaggiatore Posted Jul 19, 2001
Hell, if I wrote any of my non-native languages as well as you write english, I would be quite happy.
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Monsignore Pizzafunghi Bosselese Posted Jul 19, 2001
Well, WD said she was one letter away from something, and I guessed it was the 'W' which was to be changed...
Err... how about this quote (it's *safe* by the BBC copyright laws!)
Moses Book 5 (Deuteronomy), chapter 23, verse 11+12 ...
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Monsignore Pizzafunghi Bosselese Posted Jul 19, 2001
which reads:
11: Thou shalt have a place also without the camp, whither thou shalt go forth abroad /
12: And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and
shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee /
A583382 The Development of Toilets
Dr Hell Posted Jul 20, 2001
BOSSEL!
OH NO!!! Bossel I am an ignoramus...
WD meant she's one letter away from WC!!!!!
The Groschen falls slowly.
(For the Mods: Groschen - Currecny unit used in Austria)
*Goof - pat myself on the forehead*
Byah,
HELL
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- 2: Fizzabert (Jul 18, 2001)
- 3: Dr Hell (Jul 18, 2001)
- 4: Monsignore Pizzafunghi Bosselese (Jul 18, 2001)
- 5: Ausnahmsweise, wie üblich (Consistently inconsistent) (Jul 18, 2001)
- 6: il viaggiatore (Jul 18, 2001)
- 7: Dr Hell (Jul 18, 2001)
- 8: Hoovooloo (Jul 18, 2001)
- 9: Dr Hell (Jul 18, 2001)
- 10: Monsignore Pizzafunghi Bosselese (Jul 18, 2001)
- 11: Hoovooloo (Jul 18, 2001)
- 12: Witty Ditty (Jul 18, 2001)
- 13: Monsignore Pizzafunghi Bosselese (Jul 18, 2001)
- 14: Dr Hell (Jul 19, 2001)
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- 17: il viaggiatore (Jul 19, 2001)
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