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Edited Guide Writing Workshop: A589193 - Language and society
DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Started conversation Jul 28, 2001
http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A589193
Hey, it appears you can recommend your own! And I am, it's technical (ish) but I believe it's also interesting.
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xyroth Posted Jul 28, 2001
shouldn't that be over at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A583193
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Researcher PSG Posted Jul 28, 2001
Hello
Just taken a look at the entry via the correct link(second link), sorry that was for the people that follow.
I have a couple of comments, I think it is a bit too condensed, and I feel that it should start by explaining that for society to be created it is essential to have language, For example:
"For society to be created it is essential to have language, this is evident even in the animal kingdom. Each animal has a predetermined set of actions or sounds that convey a particular message to the group. For example the mear cat, it has a different alarm signal for each type of preditor."
I think this leads nicely into children and the inate communication of crying for attention or to highlight a need.
I'm really sorry if this seems a bit nit picky, but I think it may need a clearer start point.
I also apologise if this treads on your toes that wasn't intended.
Researcher PSG
p.s. Is it worth mentioning the first written language was created to seal pacts between people?
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Dr Hell Posted Jul 30, 2001
Condensed Version?? Will there ever be an extended version (I hope so, and am looking forward to read it)?
If so, then the addendum 'condensed version' should go into the title. If no, then it should disappear from the body. If you intend to expand *this* one, then I'm afraid it's not ready for PR yet.
Anyways. Very interesting topic. A very good start.
HELL
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DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Jul 30, 2001
Thanks very much for your comments - there was a fuller version, but when I was posting it, it got lost. So, I posted the condensed version, was going to follow up with the full version, but I've (sort of) moved on, as they say. I should do a full version, I know that. I do not object to your 'nit picking'at all, it's constructive, thanks, Researcher PSG.
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Will Of God Posted Jul 31, 2001
I was under the impression the first "written" langauge was developed to record what was until that point oral traditions IE history...
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Researcher PSG Posted Jul 31, 2001
Well as I have been led to understand it, in ancient times when people made a deal over exchange of goods they had tokens to represent the items each side was going to give to the other. They sealed these tokens in balls of clay to stop tampering. And at the time the deal comes to act out they break open the clay balls and see what tokens are contained, and so who has to give what. Now to stop people trying to pull a switch or swindle they pressed copys of the tokens contained in the ball onto the surface before it hardened, so when the duplicates where removed it left the marks representing the tokens contained, the first writing.
Researcher PSG
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Monsignore Pizzafunghi Bosselese Posted Sep 1, 2001
Yes, it's a bit too short. Any change of getting the full version back?
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You can call me TC Posted Sep 6, 2001
There was a lot of erudite input on this topic in an old thread "what was the first language?". Not sure if it's back yet.
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Mikey the Humming Mouse - A3938628 Learn More About the Edited Guide! Posted Nov 4, 2001
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Zarquon's Singing Fish! Posted Nov 6, 2001
Seconded! I've just seen this and so never did see the original longer version, but I would like to!
How about it?
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Athena, Muse of Philosophy -1+7+9*(3+0!)+0=42 Posted Nov 6, 2001
Nice article!
It would be nice if there was some history of language in it! Also what exactly they have been discovering in the field of language with gender etc. would flesh it out. Something that would be really nice is some views on why language is such an innate need in humans.
Cheers!
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DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Nov 7, 2001
Well, call me embarassed! I spent the morning looking for my notes, and seem to have lost them... Never fear, I shall find them, and work on this on the weekend, as stated..Monday at the latest.
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Athena, Muse of Philosophy -1+7+9*(3+0!)+0=42 Posted Nov 9, 2001
Hee hee! Isn't it true that everything is everywhere but where you put it! I would give you some helpful sites, but I don't want the moderaters to eat them...
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DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Nov 10, 2001
I am suffering serious brainfade - I looked for my references last night - but I shall prevail! I will find it, or look in the Pubic Library for other stuff. Never fear
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DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! Posted Nov 12, 2001
Well, she says philosophically, you make do with what is to hand... Point is, I did (just now, 11.11 hrs, 13/11/01) add some stuff to it! Let me know what you think. D.
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Edited Guide Writing Workshop: A589193 - Language and society
- 1: DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! (Jul 28, 2001)
- 2: xyroth (Jul 28, 2001)
- 3: Researcher PSG (Jul 28, 2001)
- 4: Dr Hell (Jul 30, 2001)
- 5: DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! (Jul 30, 2001)
- 6: Will Of God (Jul 31, 2001)
- 7: Researcher PSG (Jul 31, 2001)
- 8: Monsignore Pizzafunghi Bosselese (Sep 1, 2001)
- 9: DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! (Sep 3, 2001)
- 10: il viaggiatore (Sep 4, 2001)
- 11: You can call me TC (Sep 6, 2001)
- 12: Mikey the Humming Mouse - A3938628 Learn More About the Edited Guide! (Nov 4, 2001)
- 13: Zarquon's Singing Fish! (Nov 6, 2001)
- 14: Athena, Muse of Philosophy -1+7+9*(3+0!)+0=42 (Nov 6, 2001)
- 15: DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! (Nov 7, 2001)
- 16: DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! (Nov 7, 2001)
- 17: Athena, Muse of Philosophy -1+7+9*(3+0!)+0=42 (Nov 9, 2001)
- 18: DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! (Nov 10, 2001)
- 19: Zarquon's Singing Fish! (Nov 10, 2001)
- 20: DA ; Simply Vicky: Don't get pithy with me! (Nov 12, 2001)
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