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Kadu Flyer Posted Nov 24, 2000
Fragilis the Melodical et al
The extra text has been added plus some more stuff that has come to me since. Thanks for the input guys and girls.
Stay Free
Kadu Flyer - A different trip in view
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TheOkapi - Sensitive Scout...So Do It PROPERLY! Posted Nov 25, 2000
Ah, this is good - debate. Firstly, K.F. I came to your piece after a particularly unpleasant day, dealing with stuff that, in some ways, was to do with the subject at hand...it kinda threw me to come to my favourite place and have this flung at me! Apologies if I over reacted; Ive read your piece, with the bits put in (nicely put Fragilis)and whilst I am still a little uneasy, the opening now adds a new dimension to the article. I'm afraid I have to disagree with the statement that there is no proven 'cause and effect'with porn (internet or otherwise) - you wanna have a look at some of the statistical stuff coming out of places like Dartington (very close to where I actually work)and then tell me ( and some of the victims) that there is no cause and effect.
Like the piece more than I did originally, but...
TheOkpai (sheepishly!)
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Kadu Flyer Posted Nov 26, 2000
Cool, can I suggest you collate some facts - I admit to not knowing that much about the links betweeen porn and abuse apart from I believe the case is not proven either way (like so much in science - Alcohol being good one week bad the next for eg). If you put something togeteher or even just a sentence saying that some research indicates....(insert link here)..etc.. I think it could be the finishing touch to the entry, covering all sides.
Although I still instinctively feel that those who cite porn as a "reason" would find anything to blame apart themselves, if it wasn't porn, it would be their parents lack of love, society as a whole, the little men inside their heads or whatever, but as I say this is my gut feeling and as always I am open to changing my mind if I see proof otherwise.
No apologies requires, as you say debate is good, and as there are 40 scouts out there I was sure someone would see my side anyway.
KF
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World Service Memoryshare team Posted Nov 27, 2000
Hi Everyone,
Kadu Flyer asked one of us italics to have a look at this one, and we did... we thought that the entry is not actually offensive in itself, though some might find the topic to be distasteful. We think that the entry could be evened out with Fragilis' input (all sensible comments in there) so, Kadu, would it be okay if you pasted in Fragilis' musings (leave us a note at the top of the entry saying that you'd like to credit her) and then it's over to the scouts to decide what happens next
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Kadu Flyer Posted Nov 27, 2000
er Anna, you either read it some time ago or not 2 carefully, all Fragilis' input is all in there, some at the begining some at the end, idealy I'd like Okapi's input as well. She is referenced at the end and as it is now in GuideML at the side as well.
KF
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Kadu Flyer Posted Nov 27, 2000
..but anyway, Anna, thanks for the time to read and reply, now all I need is a friendly scout, a good sub-ed.......
KF
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World Service Memoryshare team Posted Nov 27, 2000
Hi Kadu Flyer,
Oops! Sorry, earlier I just read the most recent post and I missed the earlier one! It was one of those Monday morning things. This entry seems to be rounding out into a really balanced one - Lovely
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Kadu Flyer Posted Nov 27, 2000
Cool, I'll suss out the repeated paragraph and add links.
Monday Morning Anna? What time zone r u in ?
KF
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Jeremy (trying to find his way back to dinner) Posted Nov 28, 2000
I read the Entry, and in my opinion it ~should~ be in the Guide. Internet Porn is a part of our life, as is crime and war. I think the Entry does not encourage a reader to visit porn sites more frequently than he would have done anyway.
It is highly controversial, but not out of line. My support is hereby guaranteed.
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Kadu Flyer Posted Nov 28, 2000
Thank you Jeremy - One point "than he would have done anyway." -
OK so 9x% of porn visitors are male, but I know several females who do as well.
Thanks
KF
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Fragilis - h2g2 Cured My Tabular Obsession Posted Nov 28, 2000
I agree. I know several women who view pornography online. In my opinion, this has something to do with the fact that women are more concerned about losing their social status if caught viewing pornography. They enjoy the sense of privacy even more than men perhaps. However, there are still far fewer of them. This probably has at least something to do with the fact that pornographers don't really understand what women want.
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Fragilis - h2g2 Cured My Tabular Obsession Posted Nov 28, 2000
I agree. I know several women who view pornography online. In my opinion, this has something to do with the fact that women are more concerned about losing their social status if caught viewing pornography. They enjoy the sense of privacy even more than men perhaps. However, there are still far fewer of them. This probably has at least something to do with the fact that pornographers don't really understand what women want.
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TheOkapi - Sensitive Scout...So Do It PROPERLY! Posted Nov 28, 2000
Hi K.F.
I'll see if I can access some info for you from the Research Centre re my previous post. It may take a moment or two (he said optimistically!)but if your piece gets put forward before hand, as is,maybe the powers that be can add the relevant bits, if you wish them to be included, at a later date.
In actual fact, my pick is due about now, but if no one else offers it up, as it were, I'll do me damndest to get the information to you and I'LL put it forward, inclusion or no.
TheOkapi
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Kadu Flyer Posted Nov 29, 2000
Cool, if you or any other scout really wants to make my day then why not get 2 4 the price of 1 and nominate my superb "Internet Dating" entry here
http://www.h2g2.com/A394463
Go on, go on, Go on, go on, Go on, go on, Go on, go on, Go on, go on,
I feel it is better than this one, or rather better than what I wrote in this one, I think now with the colabaration going on this one is shaping up.
Kadu
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§hadow Posted Dec 4, 2000
With the collaboration, it's more than shaping up, it's in. Congratulations Kadu and Fragilis, the entry has been accepted. Keep up the good work the both of you!
~§~
§hadow
http://www.h2g2.com/u133044
Here's the official announcement:
"Thanks for your recommendation. You'll be glad to know that we think this entry is great, and it has now gone into the Editorial Process for future inclusion in the Edited Guide. When it does get into the Edited Guide, we will email to let you know, but please bear in mind it can take a while for entries to go through the sub-editing system. Thanks for writing for the guide!"
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h2g2 auto-messages Posted Dec 6, 2000
Editorial Note: This thread has been moved out of the Peer Review forum because this entry has now been recommended for the Edited Guide.
If they haven't been along already, the Scout who recommended your entry will post here soon, to let you know what happens next. Meanwhile you can find out what will happen to your entry here: http://www.h2g2.com/SubEditors-Process
Congratulations!
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Spike Anderson is sorry he can't catch up on a whole month's backlog Posted Mar 4, 2002
I'm going to throw this into the Writing Workshop and see what people think now.
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Spike Anderson is sorry he can't catch up on a whole month's backlog Posted Mar 4, 2002
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- 21: Kadu Flyer (Nov 24, 2000)
- 22: TheOkapi - Sensitive Scout...So Do It PROPERLY! (Nov 25, 2000)
- 23: Kadu Flyer (Nov 26, 2000)
- 24: World Service Memoryshare team (Nov 27, 2000)
- 25: Kadu Flyer (Nov 27, 2000)
- 26: Kadu Flyer (Nov 27, 2000)
- 27: Fragilis - h2g2 Cured My Tabular Obsession (Nov 27, 2000)
- 28: World Service Memoryshare team (Nov 27, 2000)
- 29: Kadu Flyer (Nov 27, 2000)
- 30: World Service Memoryshare team (Nov 28, 2000)
- 31: Jeremy (trying to find his way back to dinner) (Nov 28, 2000)
- 32: Kadu Flyer (Nov 28, 2000)
- 33: Fragilis - h2g2 Cured My Tabular Obsession (Nov 28, 2000)
- 34: Fragilis - h2g2 Cured My Tabular Obsession (Nov 28, 2000)
- 35: TheOkapi - Sensitive Scout...So Do It PROPERLY! (Nov 28, 2000)
- 36: Kadu Flyer (Nov 29, 2000)
- 37: §hadow (Dec 4, 2000)
- 38: h2g2 auto-messages (Dec 6, 2000)
- 39: Spike Anderson is sorry he can't catch up on a whole month's backlog (Mar 4, 2002)
- 40: Spike Anderson is sorry he can't catch up on a whole month's backlog (Mar 4, 2002)
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