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Tony the Hermit Started conversation May 27, 2005
Entry: Warlock - A4123946
Author: Kermit - U188848
Historical discussion of etymology of word "warlock".
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the_jon_m - bluesman of the parish Posted Jul 11, 2005
why has nobody looked at this yet ????
quick pickyness -
sorceror ---> sorcerer
anglo-saxon ---> Anglo-Saxon
penerate ----> penetrate
Doctionary ---> Dictionary (and please check the last few lines of this paragraph
interchangable ---> interchangeable
scandivanian , england, scotland --- > all need captials
pseudonymn ---> pseudonym
since you are quoting scots, which is seperate language to english, I think some translations are needed. Also, I think some of the larger block quotes are too big for use in the guide
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Mr. Dreadful - But really I'm not actually your friend, but I am... Posted Jul 12, 2005
Looks like the author did tons of stuff and then Elvised.
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Mr. Dreadful - But really I'm not actually your friend, but I am... Posted Jul 12, 2005
Allow me to re-phrase that: The author has done tons of stuff, but appears to have Elvised. Flea Market?
Mental note: just because *I* know exactly what I mean, doesn't mean that everyone else will.
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the_jon_m - bluesman of the parish Posted Jul 12, 2005
not long enough, gotta wait a bit.
Especially since nobody posted to this for over a month, Kermit have given up
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There is only one thing worse than being Gosho, and that is not being Gosho Posted Aug 19, 2005
The author has apparently not Elvised - he posted to h2g2 six days ago according to his PS. Still interested in working on this entry Tony?
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Tony the Hermit Posted Aug 31, 2005
Still ok to work on this; been on hol recently.
My arguments on etymology of warlock are as follows:
1. Documentary History
a) tracing through extant literature, it appears in Scotland before it does in England
b) this suggests problems with the Anglo-Saxon etymology, where we would expect the reverse
c) the idea of warlock as enchanter from Norse (thence to Scotland) is an alternative which would explain the documentary history.
2. Linguistics
a) the supposed meaning of the Anglo-Saxon/Germanic etymology as oath-breaker is nowhere evidenced in any Anglo-Saxon/English documentary sources.
b) the synchronic meaning - i.e. seeing how it is given meaning in Scottish documents - is enchanter, or evil enchanter/sorceror. From thence it enters into England.
c) it is easier to explain the diachronic shift in meaning from enchanter (Norse) to wicked enchanter/sorceror than oath-breaker (Germanic) to the same.
Regarding "dictionary definitions", it seems that their etymology may well be spurious, and it seems that a lot of the etymology of warlock is often taken from granted and passed from one compiler to another.
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Jimi X Posted Oct 25, 2005
I rather liked the entry, but I do tend to like word origin entries as a rule.
Changing the first person references would be in order. The Edited Guide tends to shy away from the use of the word 'I' - even substituting 'we' is more accepted.
Changing the title to 'Warlock - word origins' might help a bit too as simply calling it 'Warlock' doesn't know what a gem in hiding this entry is.
- Jimi X
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AlexAshman Posted Nov 10, 2005
Is the author still here?
(If not, I vote flea market)
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GreyDesk Posted Nov 10, 2005
No, they've not gone yet. They're fairly absent I'll grant you, but they've not disappeared.
So, Oi Tony, are you still working on this?
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Mina Posted Dec 28, 2005
The author has not posted for nearly three months. Flea Market?
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Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream Posted Dec 28, 2005
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Peer Review: A4123946 - Warlock
- 1: Tony the Hermit (May 27, 2005)
- 2: the_jon_m - bluesman of the parish (Jul 11, 2005)
- 3: Mr. Dreadful - But really I'm not actually your friend, but I am... (Jul 12, 2005)
- 4: Mr. Dreadful - But really I'm not actually your friend, but I am... (Jul 12, 2005)
- 5: the_jon_m - bluesman of the parish (Jul 12, 2005)
- 6: There is only one thing worse than being Gosho, and that is not being Gosho (Aug 19, 2005)
- 7: Tony the Hermit (Aug 31, 2005)
- 8: Jimi X (Oct 25, 2005)
- 9: AlexAshman (Nov 10, 2005)
- 10: GreyDesk (Nov 10, 2005)
- 11: Mina (Dec 28, 2005)
- 12: Emmily ~ Roses are red, Peas are green, My face is a laugh, But yours is a scream (Dec 28, 2005)
- 13: Mina (Dec 28, 2005)
- 14: the_jon_m - bluesman of the parish (Jan 21, 2006)
- 15: Mina (Jan 22, 2006)
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