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A38581734 - Traditional Pumpernickel

Post 61

aka Bel - A87832164

OK, I have added words to that effect. smiley - biro


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Post 62

You can call me TC

A tray is flat, so it can't have a lid. A tin has depth, and is like what you showed in that link.

I'll just go and see what you've written....... smiley - footprints

Does the lid have to be tight-fitting? If the bread rises a lot, then putting a plate over it, or foil, won't control the spread.

Perhaps I'm getting into too much detail here.


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Post 63

KB

The end product's quite stodgy, isn't it? I wouldn't imagine it would rise very much. There doesn't seem to be any raising agent either.


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Post 64

Malabarista - now with added pony

Well, the fermentation makes it rise, like sourdough...

Maybe you should mention that what Americans think of as Pumpernickel is something totally different, to prevent nasty surprises on both sides of the ocean? smiley - winkeye

Oh, and my swordfighting trainer swears by the stuff for dieting, because he claims it takes more calories to digest than it contains - I find that hard to believe, though! smiley - laugh

As for traditional ways to serve it - the slices are always very thin! And you can usually still see the whole grains in them. smiley - smiley


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Post 65

KB

Not very much though - otherwise it would be a much puffier, airy loaf...


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Post 66

aka Bel - A87832164

Entry: Traditional Pumpernickel - A38581734
Author: B'Elana [©] ACE- Minister of Abbr. U230913

Thanks all.

The bread does raise somewhat when left over night and for a bit after it's been put in the oven (according to my source).
However, as this wasn't intended as an instruction how to bake it yourself (I've never done it so can't speak from experience here), I'll just remove it all.

Mala, it says 'Traditional Pumpernickel, and explains where it comes from. I would have thought it is clear that we are not talking about American pumpernickel here?

Good point about the thin slices, though, I'll see where I can add something to that effect.


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Post 67

aka Bel - A87832164

I have now rewritten the controversial paragraph so that it doesn't read like a recipe (I hope) and added a bit about the problems our ancestors had. smiley - biro

Added more links, too. smiley - ok


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Post 68

Gnomon - time to move on

That looks really strange now, putting the first paragraph in the past tense. Since pumpernickel is still made, it should be in the present tense.


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Post 69

aka Bel - A87832164

I wondered about that, which is why I added the footnote that some bakeries still do it this way. So you think I should change it back to present tense then?


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Post 70

Gnomon - time to move on

It just seems odd to say "Pumpernickel is a particular style of bread. Here's how it used to be made...". Since the bread is still made, wouldn't it make more sense to talk about how it is made now?


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Post 71

Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

I think it's OK in that you say how it *used to be* made, and then footnote to say "some bakeries do still make it today", because it's obvious (to me) that it's not an everyday regular occurrance (sorry, I'm still laughing that this is the German laxative of choice)smiley - laugh

Just a couple of style points:

Pumpernickel as a reason to want to be German is mentioned in 'Blackadder Goes Forth' (series four, episode five: General Hospital).

'Blackadder Goes Forth' should be: Blackadder Goes Forth with the episode within the series being in single quotes, thus: (series four, episode five: 'General Hospital').

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There is a Loony Tunes Cartoon called The Scarlet Pumpernickel.

Great stuff, Belsmiley - okand I'll not be trying this any time soon, but I least I know what to avoidsmiley - winkeye


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Post 72

Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor

Sorry Gnomon, simpostsmiley - doh

By the way Bel thanks for the prompt of the Doris Day Entrysmiley - yikes how long ago did I write that smiley - headhurts


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Post 73

aka Bel - A87832164

Thanks, GB. smiley - smiley

Gnomon, I don't think that it is generally made like this nowadays. I see your point, though. I have now put:
>>To give you an idea of the procedure, here is roughly how it is done the traditional way:<<

I hope that makes it clear that this is not meant to be a recipe for DIY.


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Post 74

aka Bel - A87832164

Oh, and I put the italics, too. And I removed the footnotes about today's bakeries, since it seems a bit redundant now. smiley - biro


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Post 75

Malabarista - now with added pony

smiley - ok Sounds better, especially since you later mention how modern bakeries cheat. smiley - winkeye


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Post 76

aka Bel - A87832164

That was in the entry right from the start, but then maybe you missed it. smiley - smiley


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Post 77

Malabarista - now with added pony

No, I saw it - I just mean it comes later in the entry.


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Post 78

Malabarista - now with added pony

Doesn't it? smiley - online2long


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Post 79

aka Bel - A87832164

Yes, it does. smiley - biggrin

I've mentioned the difference to American pumpernickel, too - in case you missed it. smiley - winkeye


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Post 80

Malabarista - now with added pony

smiley - laugh Must read it again after breakfast. Just potato bread, though, no Pumpernickel. smiley - run


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