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You can call me TC Posted Jul 27, 2008
A tray is flat, so it can't have a lid. A tin has depth, and is like what you showed in that link.
I'll just go and see what you've written.......
Does the lid have to be tight-fitting? If the bread rises a lot, then putting a plate over it, or foil, won't control the spread.
Perhaps I'm getting into too much detail here.
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KB Posted Jul 27, 2008
The end product's quite stodgy, isn't it? I wouldn't imagine it would rise very much. There doesn't seem to be any raising agent either.
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Malabarista - now with added pony Posted Jul 27, 2008
Well, the fermentation makes it rise, like sourdough...
Maybe you should mention that what Americans think of as Pumpernickel is something totally different, to prevent nasty surprises on both sides of the ocean?
Oh, and my swordfighting trainer swears by the stuff for dieting, because he claims it takes more calories to digest than it contains - I find that hard to believe, though!
As for traditional ways to serve it - the slices are always very thin! And you can usually still see the whole grains in them.
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KB Posted Jul 27, 2008
Not very much though - otherwise it would be a much puffier, airy loaf...
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aka Bel - A87832164 Posted Jul 28, 2008
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Thanks all.
The bread does raise somewhat when left over night and for a bit after it's been put in the oven (according to my source).
However, as this wasn't intended as an instruction how to bake it yourself (I've never done it so can't speak from experience here), I'll just remove it all.
Mala, it says 'Traditional Pumpernickel, and explains where it comes from. I would have thought it is clear that we are not talking about American pumpernickel here?
Good point about the thin slices, though, I'll see where I can add something to that effect.
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aka Bel - A87832164 Posted Jul 28, 2008
I have now rewritten the controversial paragraph so that it doesn't read like a recipe (I hope) and added a bit about the problems our ancestors had.
Added more links, too.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Jul 28, 2008
That looks really strange now, putting the first paragraph in the past tense. Since pumpernickel is still made, it should be in the present tense.
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aka Bel - A87832164 Posted Jul 28, 2008
I wondered about that, which is why I added the footnote that some bakeries still do it this way. So you think I should change it back to present tense then?
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Jul 28, 2008
It just seems odd to say "Pumpernickel is a particular style of bread. Here's how it used to be made...". Since the bread is still made, wouldn't it make more sense to talk about how it is made now?
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Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor Posted Jul 28, 2008
I think it's OK in that you say how it *used to be* made, and then footnote to say "some bakeries do still make it today", because it's obvious (to me) that it's not an everyday regular occurrance (sorry, I'm still laughing that this is the German laxative of choice)
Just a couple of style points:
Pumpernickel as a reason to want to be German is mentioned in 'Blackadder Goes Forth' (series four, episode five: General Hospital).
'Blackadder Goes Forth' should be: Blackadder Goes Forth with the episode within the series being in single quotes, thus: (series four, episode five: 'General Hospital').
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There is a Loony Tunes Cartoon called The Scarlet Pumpernickel.
Great stuff, Beland I'll not be trying this any time soon, but I least I know what to avoid
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Galaxy Babe - eclectic editor Posted Jul 28, 2008
Sorry Gnomon, simpost
By the way Bel thanks for the prompt of the Doris Day Entry how long ago did I write that
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aka Bel - A87832164 Posted Jul 28, 2008
Thanks, GB.
Gnomon, I don't think that it is generally made like this nowadays. I see your point, though. I have now put:
>>To give you an idea of the procedure, here is roughly how it is done the traditional way:<<
I hope that makes it clear that this is not meant to be a recipe for DIY.
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aka Bel - A87832164 Posted Jul 28, 2008
Oh, and I put the italics, too. And I removed the footnotes about today's bakeries, since it seems a bit redundant now.
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Malabarista - now with added pony Posted Jul 28, 2008
No, I saw it - I just mean it comes later in the entry.
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