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Asmodai Dark (The Eternal Builder, servant of Howard, Crom, and Beans) Started conversation Jul 29, 2004
I remembered hearing about costa rico having no armed forces, having disbanded them in 1996-97 because the government claimed there had the happiest and most peaceful nation in the world. Seemed a little strange how they got behind Bush. Although i didnt know that Iceland had no army.
The magnificent seven bit was brilliant, as was the description of Osama as 'unintelligent looking' followed by shots of Bush.
I liked the film a lot, although i think Bowling for Columbine is a bit better because it seems to have some of the issues of the film close to his heart rather then directly attacking anyone. Freinheight is the film Bowling would have been if Moore had focused on Charlton Heston more.
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Awix Posted Jul 29, 2004
I didn't care much for the ambush on Heston either, to be honest, it just seemed to be done for effect. A rather cheap stunt given Heston's age and fragility and the fact that Moore had already concluded the gun situation in the USA wasn't specifically the fault of the NRA.
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Asmodai Dark (The Eternal Builder, servant of Howard, Crom, and Beans) Posted Jul 30, 2004
Come on.
He holds gun rallies after both the columbine killing and the school girl the got killed, and announced publicly that he felt sorry for the families, then when asked about it said he knew nothing.
In his own words 'from my cold dead hands'
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Awix Posted Jul 30, 2004
I agree that the NRA are a reprehensible mob but for Moore to conclude in his film that widespread gun ownership is not per se the problem (Moore is a lifetime member of the NRA himself) and yet still go on to spring that kind of stunt on an elderly man is just grandstanding and intellectually dishonest. And I thought Moore was a bit sanctimonious to be honest.
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Asmodai Dark (The Eternal Builder, servant of Howard, Crom, and Beans) Posted Jul 30, 2004
Its not the problem of how many, that was proved, its whose weilding the weapon.
As for doing it to an elderly man, well i think heston was asking for it. It was only a year or two after he had the gun rallies at most. Can you honestly say that he was right to hold the rallies? Hes the leader of the association - he could have cancelled it out of respect.
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Awix Posted Jul 31, 2004
I think the NRA thought that if they were to cancel the rallies it might be seen as an admission of guilt. I don't necessarily think that's the case, but I can understand why they would think that.
If Moore wanted to have a serious discussion about gun ownership with Heston then there was no reason why he couldn't have arranged an interview through proper channels, instead of tricking his way into the man's home on false pretences and ambushing him with a lot of questions he hadn't had the chance to prepare for. But why would he? He'd already established the problem isn't just a matter of gun availability. He just wanted a big finish for his movie and taking a few easy pops at Heston was the best way of getting one.
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Asmodai Dark (The Eternal Builder, servant of Howard, Crom, and Beans) Posted Jul 31, 2004
But Marlyn Manson cancelled his concert that was iirc a month after the columbine shootings, and he clearly isnt to blame/approtions blame to himself.
Whether you are fan of heston or not, its difficult to like someone who makes the statement - whilst holding a rifle above his head - about taking only taking the gun away from him when hes dead, after two students stoled around a high school mowing down other students. Of course, the guns were only taken from the two students when they shot themselves.
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