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Peer Review: A248159 - An Introduction to Metric Spaces

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The Researcher formally known as Dr St Justin

Entry: An Introduction to Metric Spaces - A248159
Author: Archangel Dr Justin, BSc (Hons), BF, Patron Saint of Paper-Cuts, Ace, Artist, Scout, Sub {1+0-8+40+9=42}, Harrasser of Italics - U108409

One for the mathematically minded...


A248159 - An Introduction to Metric Spaces

Post 2

Pimms

Definitely. I started skimming after the second section. I did try to follow your arguments. Small problem reading some of the formulae - see below.

Typo note:
three-dimensionsal > three-dimensional
'Manhatten metric' > 'Manhattan metric' ?

The only other quite puzzling thing I believe I did understand is those squares in the first set of formulae, and four out of the eight other sections, do they indicate special characters you’ve used that aren’t in the font? Clearly if you can't see any squares this may be a drawback in identifying them.


Pimms smiley - stiffdrink


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The Researcher formally known as Dr St Justin

From <./>GuideML-Characters</.>:

'Please note that most browsers can't display all these characters (though one day one assumes they will).'

The symbols all appear properly in my version of Netscape, but not in IE. I'll try and re-write it without using those symbols.

I'll also fix those typos...

smiley - ta


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The Researcher formally known as Dr St Justin

Typos fixed, and those nasty characters replaced with text smiley - ok


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Pimms

Looks good to me smiley - ok (still don't pretend to be able to follow all of it easily, but I think that is inherent with the subject)

I noted in the examples of metric spaces the example that moves between a diamond and a square at infinity. This struck a chord as I am trying to prepare a simple Entry on superellipses (A1029845, not ready for PR yet), where the Lame curve equation is equivalent to the Manhattan metric (I think). You could mention that d2 gives you an actual circle rather than a simple closed curve.


Pimms smiley - stiffdrink


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The Researcher formally known as Dr St Justin

>>> 'You could mention that d2 gives you an actual circle rather than a simple closed curve'

Did you look at the diagram? That'll be obvious once you see it.


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Pimms

smiley - sorry Forgot to refresh my memory of the diagrams when I reread the Entry smiley - doh

Pimms smiley - stiffdrink


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The Researcher formally known as Dr St Justin

Ummm... where's everyone gone?


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Post 9

Pimms

I didn't have any further suggestions to improve this.

How did you create your diagrams? I was wondering if it would be possible for me to create a very similar one for the superellipse entry I mentioned earlier in this conversation (but obviously including a superellipse in it).

Pimms smiley - stout


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The Researcher formally known as Dr St Justin

I did all the diagrams in CorelDraw 10, then exported them as jpegs.


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The Researcher formally known as Dr St Justin

Tum te tum te tum...

smiley - whistle


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Post 12

Pimms

Bumping, Dr J?smiley - winkeye

I've re-read it. I got further smiley - smiley

Still hard going. In your initial unpacking of the formulae I would benefit from some sentence about how to read "d: A×A &#8594; bold R", even if only a footnote.

As an aside: I wondered if it was possible to have a distance function in a set with only one point? You do say one point is enough. I suppose it would be trivial, with zero distances.

You mention much later - it might be worth bringing it in earlier - that bold R is the real numbers, and I have assumed bold B is the set of points defined by a Ball?

My main issue is that not enough of the terms used have been explained enough, and I think IMHO I would be classed as above average in mathematical general knowledge. As it stands it might be *too* esoteric for the edited guide.

When I can follow it, I'll recommend it, smiley - ok? Of course I may be out of step, and in that case it will someone else who pushes it forward for inclusion.

Pimms smiley - stout


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The Researcher formally known as Dr St Justin

Bumping, me? smiley - whistle

I've added a footnote explaining how to read the function.

I've added an explanation about single-point metric spaces.

Bold R explained in footnote (at the end of the 'functions' footnote)

Bold B (I think) is already explained at the start of the section on 'open balls' - or do you find this unclear? If so, how...? smiley - erm

Ok... which terms (in particular) do you think need more explaining?

smiley - ta

smiley - angelsmiley - doctorJ


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Post 14

Pimms

Yes that footnote helped me a lot smiley - biggrin.
Some of the unpacking of definitions might be assisted by being even more detailed. I can now get to the bounded sets before being derailed, when it comes to "a in A and K in R" - simplistic examples would assist my visualization. Could you say of the sentence
'A subset S of a metric space M = {A, d} is said to be bounded if there exist a in A and K in R such that d(x, a) &#8804; K for all x in S.'

"S is a bounded set of points if there is a point 'a' in the set of points A such that all the points in the subset S (any one of which you can call 'x') are no further from 'a' (using the distance function 'd') than a distance K"
(sorry I can't put the relevant italics in) The reason K must be in R is probably obvious, but for some reason I stumbled when trying to understand it.

Pimms smiley - stout


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Pimms

smiley - biggrin Well done smiley - bubbly

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Yay! smiley - biggrin

Thanks Pimms smiley - smiley


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