h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Plants are generally thought to be nonsentinent life forms. But.......I read a book that makes me wonder. They certainly react to thinks like voices and music. Ans there have been tests that show they become attached to their owneres - providing the owners take good care of them of course. It was years ago, but I think it was called "The Secret Life of Plants." After I read it I had a hard time with salads for a while. Plants scream, you know,in pain and terror. We just can't hear them.

There's a new question!
Do plants have an afterlife?
That might be fun to think about.
I have nothing to offer off the top of my head.

These are the things that get me rambling and entertained.
I will go for a ramble

They certainly do if you count continuing to grow life from the rich waste of those past. They may very well do better than we humans at improving upon our species and environment.(sorry - pessimistic day)

I read once how it was theorized that certain life forms had a shared soul in which they worked efficiently with others to attain the goal of one. Although they had different attributes here and there most were more similar than not and they brought something useful to the whole. Very much like humans only one spirit individual but one soul for the species. Knowing dogs as I do I tend to think a spirit and soul are different and that dogs have spirits. Else how could you break an animals spirit so to speak?

There is a theory where this is how the humans are different - by knowing and weeping over deaths and their souls. Humans may be Too aware of the losses and ourselves to accomplish what animals and plants do to keep us healthy. Only us with a soul in an effort to push us to do greater things to evolve in the ways other life forms have not and maybe cannot to keep life going.

Neither is more important.
Maybe a plant can learn an owners body language like animals do.
It puts plants and animals importance up with angels because they do not have free will either. ( if you want to consider such a concept)It would be for a purpose surely IF some life forms do and some don't.

I do not think having a soul includes or excludes as much as humans might like to think. It is no magic protection we wish for and possibly far more resposibilty than we have been willing to accept.
Maybe only one in a million helps to get something really done by the help for the other 999,999

I believe all have some common slices of life ,whether plant animal or mineral. They keep finding proof of life in the most unlikley places and more intelligence than previously expected too.

When a statement about no proof being found is made by scientist it sounds to some as if they have thoroughly looked. Sometimes they have, sometimes not, in either case if they do not have the right instruments or questions it will not be found.

The recent experiments on single yeast cells were interesting.
They screamed when alcohol was dropped on them.
They hummed when fed appropriately.
Sounds like plants and babies

Well - we sure got you thinking !!

I came across a philosophy once that vowed we humans were all like files in a universal filing cabinet - all inter-connected whether we liked it or not. Sounds like the universal soul ?

If I'm to reincarated as a flower I'd like to be a a blood red one

Jazz

I think creative ideas might be put out into the universe for others to snatch up and inspect. If thoughts have vibrations like all else why not think we could tune in through a meditative or dreamers mind ans see what others have come up with?

I tend to think we have individual work to do and then work that includes much outside ourselves for keeping a natural momemtum (zest) up.

Even the most brillant people need some areas of interest outside their primary field in order to get inspirational periods.

I put a posting in here but it seems to have been lost in transit.

I agree with you - inspiration seems just to come in to us from nowhere so surely something can go back out into the great filing system in the sky? We must all have access to the files if we try.

Jazz

Agreed. Sometimes I think it's my guardian angel gently whispering in my ear.

My parents were Spiritualists for some time - they really did believe in guardian angels - or 'guides' as they called them.

I'm sure I have a guardian angel the number of times I've wiggled out of scrapes - used to call me lucky Jim

Jazz

I don't know if they are actually angels, but sometimes we do get unexpected help out of sticky situations. I don't suppose it matters what you call them. Guides, powers, angels. Things happen that can't be explained logically. And coincidence can't always be the answer. Like something that isn't there one minute, but is there the next.

I certainly believe in mysterious helpers
that go beyond coincidence and all available reason.
Helpers to make the unexpected proper choices come about.
Helpers that bring the perfect comfort, or clarity when moments before you were muddy.

The opportunities we chose with a sudden burst of courage.
The same ones which we see turn out to be just the right.
That courage or nudge amazes me.
Uncommon help with great timing!

I always know when I heard my *voice and ignored it
I could just kick myself then!

There are wonders I cannot explain and maybe not meant to fully understand at this time. I am OK with that if so.
I sure like playing with the ideas in the meantime.

I like all kinds of symbols.
Ancient,current ,dream,personal,colors,numbers, animals,plants, minerals.
I need them and use them when words fail me, which is becoming more frequent believe it or not

Coments? More ideas? Experiences?

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Shakespeare's Hamlet.

I stopped telling people of my experience in a seance when I was 17 because no one would believe me !!! Sufficient to say it stopped me from dabbling - for life !!

There are places I do not dabble!
I think it came from experience but cannot say for sure because I was so young.

It is a strong impression of a very distinct wall with "do not enter" on it for me.

I don't have many personal tales to tell that would be interesting to the rest of you.

We once had help with a tire. We were living in Beaumont, Texas and were packing to go spend Christmas with my parents in Missouri - over 700 miles way. We loaded the trunk with luggage and Christmas packages to the point of not being able to fit in even another small item. The boys got in the back seat, F and I in front and away we went.

About five minutes from the house F pulled into a gas station to fill the tank. Knowing it would be a while before I had a chance to stretch, I got out and stood beside the car. It was very early in the morning and there wasn't a lot of noise from the street. I heard this hissing sound. At first I was puzzled, then realized that it was air leaking from a tire.

I got F and had him come listen to it and then went to open the trunk. He asked me what I was doing. "You'll have to change the tire," I told him. But it was underneath all of the packages and luggage. What a mess. We'd have to set everything on the dirty asphalt then spend ages repacking the trunk. "Forget it,' he said. "It won't go flat."

We climbed back in and drove away. I ws upset because I figured if the air was leaking enough to actually hear it, the tire would be flat in a very short time and then he would be on the side of the highway where it would be more dangerous to change it. He kept telling me to stop worrying about it. I thought he had lost his mind.

We drove and drove. We stopped in Paris, Texas, near the Oklahoma state line for breakfast and to refuel. You could still hear the air hissing out of the tire, but it wasn't going down. In Tulsa we stopped again. Again, we could hear the air leaking out of the tire, but it didn't look any lower than it had when we left Beaumont. 120 miles later we pulled into my parent's driveway.

We all got out of the car, went inside, got the hugs and kisses over with and then went back outside to unload the trunk. The tire was flat as a pancake.

When I told my dad what had happened, he wanted to know what I'd been drinking. I knew that if my own father didn't believe me, no one else would.

F has had many, many psychic experiences. I could tell you about some of them, if you want. I've seen him do things that are absolutely inexplicable which tends to make me believe the rest of what he's told me. But I have no way of convincing anyone that they're true.

I like hearing of protective experiences and postitive or awe inspiring moments.

The best being a feeling of awe so powerful it stops you in your tracks to admire the wonder.

It matters not what others tell you sort of thing; you may not be able to explain how or why but yet you know *what did happen caused a feeling of fearless awe*

I only object to people trying to force revenge, negative experiences or something purely for themselves without reguard to unknown ripples.
That sort of thing.

I believe you Hyatia. Inexplicable things do happen. I saw a table lift up at one end (where no one was sitting) and rock from side to side. The good folk there wanted me to come back again, saying I was the medium through which this had happened.I had never happened for them before.

I had just gone to collect my mother so in future I would wait at the door for her to come out. It never happened again!

I don't know if anyone is monitoring this thread anymore, but I liked the tone of it and just had to say Hi.

I go to a Unitarian Universalist church in Illinois and I find the philosiphy to be quite intellegent and the morality superb.

I find myself quite interested in spiritual questions in spite of the fact that I believe all magic to be the product of the human imagination.

After all, it is in our heads where love, hate, terror, comfort, etc. reside.



YB

Welcome

The hostess, hypatia started this area.
She is morning
Hello to Hypatia People here are thinking of you.
She will be happy to see new posts appear.

When it was started it was a cool drink of water!
I think all who have participated would be happy if it continues.
Have a look around and/or stop by any persons page that has posted herethey will be happy you are interested.

mistake Hypatia has been "mourning"

I'll be darned. There is someone hanging out in the garden.

Thanks for that nice welcome abbi. It's healthful, I think, to have a place for peaceful meditation and positive discussion about the things that really matter to us humans.

Speaking of serious and humans, Tom Paxon did a song called "Don't slay that potato" about cruelety to vegetables that is quite hillarious if you don't actually sympathize with plants pain.




YB

I agree it helps to keep in touch with what is vital

Thanks for the musical comedy suggestion
Sounds a bit like Dr Demento programing!
Got a link? If not maybe I will search!
Always need a laugh a day too

Hi Yogabiker. Hi Abbi.

We have started to move the library back into our renovated building. That is keeping me too busy to brood about my personal situation. It's difficult for me late at night, but other than that, I'm coping fairly well.

It's funny you mentioned plants having feelings. I really think they have. All life is so interconnected that it is only logical that plant life would react to each other and to other life forms.

Ok. That's my quirky theory for the day.

H