A Conversation for Watling Street. A Journey Through Roman Britain
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
bobstafford Posted May 3, 2007
Thanks for that laconian
Is this any better
Also this paragraph is in the preamble;
>a day so a system of mansios or the privately owned Cauponae were established along the routes, similar to hostels they provided basic accommodation. The upper classes would use the better tabernae, these began as the houses on the roadside offering a service similar to the modern ‘bed and breakfast’ system of today. All distances given are starting from Dover, if starting from Richborough simply deduct 3 miles from any total mileage figure given <
I am missing something and it is good you take the time to point these things out.
Bob...
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
Gnomon - time to move on Posted May 8, 2007
Time for the nitpicking.
This is a journey along Watling street, it is the road that runs from east to west -->
This is a journey along Watling street, the most important Roman road in Great Britain. The road runs from east to west
via St Albans (Verulamium), High Cross (Letocetum) and Wroxeter (Virconium), as Wroxeter was the first crossing point of the river Severn-->
via St Albans (Verulamium), High Cross (Letocetum) to Wroxeter (Virconium), as Wroxeter was the first crossing point of the river Severn
The road made the sharp southern turn, this was necessary -->
After the river crossing, the road makes a sharp southern turn, necessary
to Leintwardine (Bravonium) then continue south on Stone Street -->
to Leintwardine (Bravonium). It then continues south on Stone Street
Watling Street (header) --> The Start of Watling Street
Watling Street has two starting points one Starting at Dover -->
Watling Street has two starting points: one at Dover
and the other Richborough -->
and the other at Richborough
(Rutupiae), both are in Kent --> (Rutupiae); both are in Kent
both are in Kent and sited on the coast and were originally forts and both were ports-->
both are in Kent, sited on the coast and were originally both forts and ports
The journey would have been possable as described -->
The journey described in this Entry would have been possible
The journey on foot would take minimum --> The journey on foot would take a minimum
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A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
Gnomon - time to move on Posted May 9, 2007
A22016882
two starting points one: at Dover -->
two starting points: one at Dover
Triumphal Arch -- remove the space before
to be erected -- insert space after
8 hours a day 32 to 33 miles being -- add a comma after day
an average days travel --> an average day's travel
33 miles, a days travel --> 33 miles, a day's travel
as slow as 8 miles a day so a system of -- add comma after day and remove the word so
along the routes, similar to hostels they provided -- change comma to semicolon, and add comma after hostels
the better tabernae, these began -- change comma to semicolon
change curly quotes to straight ones throughout
from Dover, if starting -- change comma to semicolon
the AD 43, invasion -- remove comma
and important enough for a Triumphal arch -->
and was important enough for a triumphal arch
local British tribal leaders, entry and passing -->
local British tribal leaders. Entry and passing
into ‘Roman Britain’, the inscription -->
into ‘Roman Britain’. The inscription
A civic centre an amphitheatre -- add a comma after centre
were built in the town the town had -->
were built in the town. The town had
journey on to;
To the South to the Worth Temple -->
journey on to the south to the Worth Temple
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
bobstafford Posted May 9, 2007
Hi again Gnomon
All done though wotking on the quotes
>
journey on to;
To the South to the Worth Temple -->
journey on to the south to the Worth Temple <
I think I have done as suggested please let ve know.
Thanks
Bob...
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
Gnomon - time to move on Posted May 10, 2007
You have Canterbury (Durobrivae) and Rochester (Durobrivae). Which one is correct?
The inscription on the arch read as follows; -- change the semicolon to a colon
Perhaps put the inscription into italics.
all now ruined . -- remove the space between ruined and the full stop
you could journey on to;
Journey on to the South -- this looks odd and I'm not sure exactly what way you should handle it yet. Let's look at that later.
There was a wide verity of shops --> There was a wide variety of shops
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
bobstafford Posted May 10, 2007
Hi Gnomon
All done
Sorry mate are you reading the correct copy???
You have Canterbury (Durobrivae) and Rochester (Durobrivae). Which one is correct?
Canterbury (Durovernum Cantiacorum) - 'The walled town near the alder swamp'
Rochester (Durobrivae) - 'The walled town with a bridge'
Or have I missed something
Bob...
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
Gnomon - time to move on Posted May 10, 2007
You've missed something:
"On Watling Street continue west to Canterbury (Durobrivae) 11 miles."
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
Gnomon - time to move on Posted May 11, 2007
Please change your dates around so that AD goes after the date rather than before. I know it is unusual, but it is the house style. So AD 43 becomes 43 AD with a space between the number and AD.
Canterbury was first founded as a fort in AD 43, the town was then -- swap around the date and change to two separate sentences
the status of Civitas --> the status of civitas
in AD 80, it was at this -- swap around the date and change to two separate sentences
the towns expansion --> the town's expansion
With good connections to the Empire, especially Gaul trade flourished, a basilica -- add comma after Gaul and finish the sentence at flourished
followed by and a temple -- remove the word 'and'
a wide varity --> a wide variety
bronze making, brick, tile and pottery production was established -->
bronze making, brick, tile and pottery production were established
in the town -- add a full stop
A settlement of timber framed housing and a few trade buildings and shops there were mainly paved streets -- there's something wrong with that. It says that shops were mainly paved streets.
farmland in Britain, -- change comma to semicolon
either side os watling Street --> os becomes of, watling becomes Watling
I'm confused by your distances. You have Canterbury to Rochester 11 miles, but then the next town you list is Ospringe, and the distance to Rochester has now gone up to 17 miles.
pointwhere a bridge could be --> point where a bridge could be
with ten or more temples surrounding it, five temples two with a square and three with a rectangular plan -- this is confused. Is it 10 temples or 5? And could we have some punctuation please?
tradeing settlement --> trading settlement (the spelling checker should have spotted that!)
at a suitable point that on river Thames --> at a suitable point one the River Thames
Governors palace --> governor's palace
To the south Lmpne --missing a y there
three largest in Roman Britian -- spelling of 'Britain'
Dunstable (Duurocolnvis) -- this is a completely different spelling from the one in the next header
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
bobstafford Posted May 11, 2007
Hi
Thanks for that all done
On Watling Street continue north west to St Albans (Verulamium) 8 miles.
Total so far 92 miles. (92 + 8 above =100 see the total below)
To the west Colchester (Camulodunum)
On Watling Street continue north west to Dunstable (Durocobrivis) 9 miles.
Total so far 100 miles. (now we have 100 total the next total will be 109 having added the distance from Dunstable)
Has that explaned it
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
Gnomon - time to move on Posted May 11, 2007
It was the Ospringe example in particular I wanted explained.
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
bobstafford Posted May 11, 2007
Hi Gnomon
I will give it a go
Ospringe/Faversham
On Watling Street continue west to Rochester (Durobrivae) 17 miles.
Total so far 25 miles. (total mileage)
25 + 17 to Rochester = 42 the total shown in the Rochester section below.
Rochester
On Watling Street continue west to Springhead (Vagniacis) 9 miles.
Total so far 42 miles.
It is important that this is clear if this needs a re think your ideas are very welcome.
Bob...
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
Gnomon - time to move on Posted May 11, 2007
So we have
Canterbury to Rochester 11 miles
Total from Dover to Canterbury 14 miles
Next stop: Ospringe
Ospringe to Rochester 17 miles (further from Rochester than Canterbury was)
Total from Dover to Ospringe 25 miles.
So Ospringe is further from both ends than Canterbury. Is it on Watling Street at all?
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
bobstafford Posted May 12, 2007
Hi Gnomon
Canterbury to Rochester 11 miles
Total from Dover to Canterbury 14 miles
Next stop: Ospringe
Ospringe to Rochester 17 miles (further from Rochester than Canterbury was)
Total from Dover to Ospringe 25 miles.
Ok I see you got me
I Rochestered when I should have Ospringed
Bob...
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
Gnomon - time to move on Posted May 12, 2007
Bob, can you check the rest of the distances yourself? Because it really takes a lot of my time, and it is your entry.
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
aka Bel - A87832164 Posted May 13, 2007
Hi Bob, haven't read it all, as it's really long.
I quite like the idea, but it seems to be a bit - lifeless and repetitive- don't know how to express it better.
Are there still ruins left from all these places you describe? Can you visit them today?
And I think you should address laconian's points.
Bel
A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey
bobstafford Posted May 13, 2007
Hi B'Elana
This point
>I like it. It's possible some of the others might suggest moving the names into the text for each settlement, but I think this way is nice. I'll give the entry a more thorough reading through when I have time.<
I am geting mixed reactions as to content.
I thought about the sites today and ruins but I decided to do it form a view at the time the road was in use.
It is big enough without adding a guide of the site today unles it is given a code to each entry
1= nothing visible or built over
2= platforma mounds and crop marks
3= some ruins visble above ground
4= visible site with museam support
5= major tourist attraction
That sort of thing?
Bob...
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