A Conversation for Watling Street. A Journey Through Roman Britain

A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey

Post 21

bobstafford

Thanks for that laconian
Is this any better
Also this paragraph is in the preamble;

>a day so a system of mansios or the privately owned Cauponae were established along the routes, similar to hostels they provided basic accommodation. The upper classes would use the better tabernae, these began as the houses on the roadside offering a service similar to the modern ‘bed and breakfast’ system of today. All distances given are starting from Dover, if starting from Richborough simply deduct 3 miles from any total mileage figure given <

I am missing something and it is good you take the time to point these things out.

Bob...smiley - cheers


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Post 22

Gnomon - time to move on

Time for the nitpicking.

This is a journey along Watling street, it is the road that runs from east to west -->
This is a journey along Watling street, the most important Roman road in Great Britain. The road runs from east to west

via St Albans (Verulamium), High Cross (Letocetum) and Wroxeter (Virconium), as Wroxeter was the first crossing point of the river Severn-->
via St Albans (Verulamium), High Cross (Letocetum) to Wroxeter (Virconium), as Wroxeter was the first crossing point of the river Severn

The road made the sharp southern turn, this was necessary -->
After the river crossing, the road makes a sharp southern turn, necessary

to Leintwardine (Bravonium) then continue south on Stone Street -->
to Leintwardine (Bravonium). It then continues south on Stone Street

Watling Street (header) --> The Start of Watling Street

Watling Street has two starting points one Starting at Dover -->
Watling Street has two starting points: one at Dover

and the other Richborough -->
and the other at Richborough

(Rutupiae), both are in Kent --> (Rutupiae); both are in Kent

both are in Kent and sited on the coast and were originally forts and both were ports-->
both are in Kent, sited on the coast and were originally both forts and ports

The journey would have been possable as described -->
The journey described in this Entry would have been possible

The journey on foot would take minimum --> The journey on foot would take a minimum

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A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey

Post 23

bobstafford

Hi Gnomon
All done thanks for the help smiley - smiley


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Post 24

Gnomon - time to move on

A22016882

two starting points one: at Dover -->
two starting points: one at Dover

Triumphal Arch -- remove the space before
to be erected -- insert space after

8 hours a day 32 to 33 miles being -- add a comma after day

an average days travel --> an average day's travel

33 miles, a days travel --> 33 miles, a day's travel

as slow as 8 miles a day so a system of -- add comma after day and remove the word so

along the routes, similar to hostels they provided -- change comma to semicolon, and add comma after hostels

the better tabernae, these began -- change comma to semicolon

change curly quotes to straight ones throughout

from Dover, if starting -- change comma to semicolon

the AD 43, invasion -- remove comma

and important enough for a Triumphal arch -->
and was important enough for a triumphal arch

local British tribal leaders, entry and passing -->
local British tribal leaders. Entry and passing

into ‘Roman Britain’, the inscription -->
into ‘Roman Britain’. The inscription

A civic centre an amphitheatre -- add a comma after centre

were built in the town the town had -->
were built in the town. The town had

journey on to;
To the South to the Worth Temple -->
journey on to the south to the Worth Temple

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Post 25

bobstafford

Hi again Gnomon

All done though wotking on the quotes

>
journey on to;
To the South to the Worth Temple -->
journey on to the south to the Worth Temple <

I think I have done as suggested please let ve know.


Thanks

Bob...


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Post 26

Gnomon - time to move on

You have Canterbury (Durobrivae) and Rochester (Durobrivae). Which one is correct?


The inscription on the arch read as follows; -- change the semicolon to a colon

Perhaps put the inscription into italics.

all now ruined . -- remove the space between ruined and the full stop

you could journey on to;
Journey on to the South -- this looks odd and I'm not sure exactly what way you should handle it yet. Let's look at that later.


There was a wide verity of shops --> There was a wide variety of shops


A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey

Post 27

bobstafford

Hi Gnomon

All done

Sorry mate are you reading the correct copy??? smiley - erm

You have Canterbury (Durobrivae) and Rochester (Durobrivae). Which one is correct?


Canterbury (Durovernum Cantiacorum) - 'The walled town near the alder swamp'

Rochester (Durobrivae) - 'The walled town with a bridge'

Or have I missed something


Bob...


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Post 28

Gnomon - time to move on

You've missed something:

"On Watling Street continue west to Canterbury (Durobrivae) 11 miles."


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Post 29

bobstafford



ah b****r thanks


done itsmiley - ok


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Post 30

Gnomon - time to move on

Please change your dates around so that AD goes after the date rather than before. I know it is unusual, but it is the house style. So AD 43 becomes 43 AD with a space between the number and AD.

Canterbury was first founded as a fort in AD 43, the town was then -- swap around the date and change to two separate sentences

the status of Civitas --> the status of civitas

in AD 80, it was at this -- swap around the date and change to two separate sentences

the towns expansion --> the town's expansion

With good connections to the Empire, especially Gaul trade flourished, a basilica -- add comma after Gaul and finish the sentence at flourished

followed by and a temple -- remove the word 'and'

a wide varity --> a wide variety

bronze making, brick, tile and pottery production was established -->
bronze making, brick, tile and pottery production were established

in the town -- add a full stop

A settlement of timber framed housing and a few trade buildings and shops there were mainly paved streets -- there's something wrong with that. It says that shops were mainly paved streets.

farmland in Britain, -- change comma to semicolon

either side os watling Street --> os becomes of, watling becomes Watling

I'm confused by your distances. You have Canterbury to Rochester 11 miles, but then the next town you list is Ospringe, and the distance to Rochester has now gone up to 17 miles.

pointwhere a bridge could be --> point where a bridge could be

with ten or more temples surrounding it, five temples two with a square and three with a rectangular plan -- this is confused. Is it 10 temples or 5? And could we have some punctuation please?

tradeing settlement --> trading settlement (the spelling checker should have spotted that!)

at a suitable point that on river Thames --> at a suitable point one the River Thames

Governors palace --> governor's palace

To the south Lmpne --missing a y there

three largest in Roman Britian -- spelling of 'Britain'

Dunstable (Duurocolnvis) -- this is a completely different spelling from the one in the next header

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A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey

Post 31

bobstafford

Hi

Thanks for that all done

On Watling Street continue north west to St Albans (Verulamium) 8 miles.
Total so far 92 miles. (92 + 8 above =100 see the total below)


To the west Colchester (Camulodunum)
On Watling Street continue north west to Dunstable (Durocobrivis) 9 miles.
Total so far 100 miles. (now we have 100 total the next total will be 109 having added the distance from Dunstable)

Has that explaned it

smiley - smiley


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Post 32

Gnomon - time to move on

It was the Ospringe example in particular I wanted explained.


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Post 33

bobstafford

Hi Gnomon

I will give it a go

Ospringe/Faversham
On Watling Street continue west to Rochester (Durobrivae) 17 miles.
Total so far 25 miles. (total mileage)

25 + 17 to Rochester = 42 the total shown in the Rochester section below.

Rochester
On Watling Street continue west to Springhead (Vagniacis) 9 miles.
Total so far 42 miles.


It is important that this is clear if this needs a re think your ideas are very welcome.


Bob...


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Post 34

Gnomon - time to move on

So we have

Canterbury to Rochester 11 miles
Total from Dover to Canterbury 14 miles

Next stop: Ospringe
Ospringe to Rochester 17 miles (further from Rochester than Canterbury was)
Total from Dover to Ospringe 25 miles.

So Ospringe is further from both ends than Canterbury. Is it on Watling Street at all?


A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey

Post 35

bobstafford

Hi Gnomon

Canterbury to Rochester 11 miles
Total from Dover to Canterbury 14 miles

Next stop: Ospringe
Ospringe to Rochester 17 miles (further from Rochester than Canterbury was)
Total from Dover to Ospringe 25 miles.

Ok I see you got me
I Rochestered when I should have Ospringed smiley - smiley


Bob...


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Post 36

Gnomon - time to move on

Bob, can you check the rest of the distances yourself? Because it really takes a lot of my time, and it is your entry.


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Post 37

bobstafford

Ok will do


A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey

Post 38

bobstafford

Ok I have done that thanks for pointing that out...smiley - smiley


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Post 39

aka Bel - A87832164

Hi Bob, haven't read it all, as it's really long.
I quite like the idea, but it seems to be a bit - lifeless and repetitive- don't know how to express it better.
Are there still ruins left from all these places you describe? Can you visit them today?
And I think you should address laconian's points.

Bel


A22016882 - Watling Street ; A Journey

Post 40

bobstafford

Hi B'Elana
This point

>I like it. It's possible some of the others might suggest moving the names into the text for each settlement, but I think this way is nice. I'll give the entry a more thorough reading through when I have time.<

I am geting mixed reactions as to content.

I thought about the sites today and ruins but I decided to do it form a view at the time the road was in use.

It is big enough without adding a guide of the site today unles it is given a code to each entry
1= nothing visible or built over
2= platforma mounds and crop marks
3= some ruins visble above ground
4= visible site with museam support
5= major tourist attraction

That sort of thing?

Bob...


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