A Conversation for The H2G2-Collective Peace Treaty
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GodBen (The Magical Astronomer) - 00000011 Started conversation Dec 13, 2003
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GodBen (The Magical Astronomer) - 00000011 Posted Dec 13, 2003
Alright then, I will.
I hope that this treaty will bring peace and closer co-operation between our two communities.
*GodBen signs*
Alright then, your turn Astrotomato.
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GodBen (The Magical Astronomer) - 00000011 Posted Dec 13, 2003
What terms? I got what I want, and you get peace. Seems like a good deal to me!
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Oetzi Oetztaler....Anti Apartheid Posted Dec 13, 2003
Astro may I remind you of my promise to Row please!
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GodBen (The Magical Astronomer) - 00000011 Posted Dec 13, 2003
Look, I have to go. Just leave you're signature, or terms, and I'll try and get back to you tomorrow.
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astrotomato Posted Dec 13, 2003
Oetzi - what promise is that?
GodBen - Terms & Conditions:
1. The DNA Database Technology is a common format. H2G2ers shall refrain from claiming parental or superiority rights, simply due to the fact that the H2G2 site was the first application of that technology.
2. H2G2ers shall not moan about the different number, style, shape or colour of emoticons on Collective.
3. H2G2ers shall not moan about - well, all those things they do moan about, like inability to change screen colours, lack of a cliquey friends list, etc. when on Collective.
4. H2G2ers shall be energy efficient, use less packaging when shopping, recycle as much waste as possible, and not leave the tap running when cleaning their teeth, in order to promote good environmental practice.
5. H2G2ers shall not get irked when outsiders offer some criticism of their site, but shall ask what can be changed, and why the perception of non-user-friendliness exists.
In return, Astrotomato, for the length of time that the avatar exists shall:
1. Never post to H2G2 ever again.
2. Never again say that H2G2ers need to shorten their silly names.
3. Never again say that H2G2ers should actually talk to each other and make best use of Douglas Adams' creation, rather than wasting the BBC's money by throwing badly designed, murky emoticons all over the place.
4. Never run a grand pop culture project which encompasses H2G2 ever again.
5. Never again say that H2G2 cliques do not promote community, but rather elitism, tribalism and arrogance.
(It shall be noted that points 2. - 4. naturally flow out of point 1.)
If you agree to those terms and conditions, Astrotomato shall sign your peace accord.
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Oetzi Oetztaler....Anti Apartheid Posted Dec 13, 2003
Well you know I have a "soft spot" for Row...well she wanted a peaceful holiday so I agreed that I would seek peace with the hootooers.
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GodBen (The Magical Astronomer) - 00000011 Posted Dec 13, 2003
Completely unacceptable!
YOUR DEMANDS
“1. The DNA Database Technology is a common format. H2G2ers shall refrain from claiming parental or superiority rights, simply due to the fact that the H2G2 site was the first application of that technology.”
H2G2 is the parent of all the other DNA sites. While we do not ask for a special position in collective or other sites, it must be accepted that H2G2 was the first and without it collective would not exist.
“2. H2G2ers shall not moan about the different number, style, shape or colour of emotions on Collective.”
We can moan about whatever we want. Most of us live in democracies.
“3. H2G2ers shall not moan about - well, all those things they do moan about, like inability to change screen colours, lack of a cliquey friends list, etc. when on Collective.”
Ditto.
“4. H2G2ers shall be energy efficient, use less packaging when shopping, recycle as much waste as possible, and not leave the tap running when cleaning their teeth, in order to promote good environmental practice.”
We cannot dictate what researchers do outside of the site; it’s H2G2 policy.
“5. H2G2ers shall not get irked when outsiders offer some criticism of their site, but shall ask what can be changed, and why the perception of non-user-friendliness exists.”
We can get irked by whatever we want. And you did not just insult h2g2, you also insulted it’s researchers.
YOUR CONCESSIONS
“1. Never post to H2G2 ever again.”
You can post here all you want.
“2. Never again say that H2G2ers need to shorten their silly names.”
Moan all you want, just don’t insult.
“3. Never again say that H2G2ers should actually talk to each other and make best use of Douglas Adams' creation, rather than wasting the BBC's money by throwing badly designed, murky emoticons all over the place.”
Ditto.
“4. Never run a grand pop culture project which encompasses H2G2 ever again.”
You must have express permission from those who are taking part in the experiment.
“5. Never again say that H2G2 cliques do not promote community, but rather elitism, tribalism and arrogance.”
We have one of the strongest communities on the web. The elitism and arrogance are all a part of that community.
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Asteroid Lil - Offstage Presence Posted Dec 13, 2003
Godben, your post is incomplete. The next step in these matters is to be constructive and propose counter-terms.
It's true that many hootoo user names are very long and sometimes silly, and researchers should be reminded to find more sensible ways of enhandling themselves, as Astrotomato has evidently done.
Lil
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Good Doctor Zomnker (This must be Tuesday," said GDZ to himself, sinking low over his Dr. Pepper, "I never could get the hang of Tuesdays.") Posted Dec 14, 2003
Can't we all just try and get along?
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Doc U Posted Dec 14, 2003
Here are a couple of suggestions:
1) Terms must be addressed to individuals. GodBen cannot really claim to represent the entirety of H2G2, nor can Astrotomato represent the Collective in any meaningful way. If either of the two disagree on this point, the least they can do is acknowledge that the demands should not be for all hootooers on the one side and for just Astrotomato on the other. That's not a fair trade, is it?
2) Since this is a symbolic gesture, perhaps it should be as vague as possible, with a follow-up treaty defining terms. I'm not sure that this is a helpful suggestion, but it's at least an alternative to the current process.
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GodBen (The Magical Astronomer) - 00000011 Posted Dec 14, 2003
I don’t represent the entirety of hootoo; I represent those members who attacked Collective.
Here is what I propose.
(1) We are both allowed to make criticisms of each other’s sites, but we don’t insult the members.
(2) If a member from either side does insult members from the other, then that person must apologise.
MY DEMANDS
(1) Collective must admit that h2g2 is the parent site.
(2) An apology from astrotomato for the initial declaration of war.
(3) An entire .
MY CONNCESSIONS
(1) We will not say that collective is subservient to h2g2 due to it being the parent site.
(2) An apology to astrotomato for invading collective.
(3) An entire .
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~*}Black Angel{*~ Posted Dec 15, 2003
erm, Gb its true that you cannot in yourself represent ok, the WHOLE of h2g2 or MOTV
as original commander of MOTV i also suggest we talk together rather than you hopping about insanely by yourself.
i would say two
there is alot of us
but as to the terms we have to come to some agreement rather than just stubbornly putting foward ours
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~*}Black Angel{*~ Posted Dec 15, 2003
sorry i am Jack GaY_SpAcEcAdEt_----->Commander-of-MOTMV
but i'm just using charl's username coz i can't be ares to log him off
He's leaving me !! *sniff*
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Spacecadet Jack (Supreme Commander in Cheif) [Major] Posted Dec 16, 2003
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Prehaps, but anyway whats the deal are you guys signing or continueing fighting, i have a huge amount of tomaots and i need to know if i'm cooking them or throwing them
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- 1: GodBen (The Magical Astronomer) - 00000011 (Dec 13, 2003)
- 2: GodBen (The Magical Astronomer) - 00000011 (Dec 13, 2003)
- 3: astrotomato (Dec 13, 2003)
- 4: GodBen (The Magical Astronomer) - 00000011 (Dec 13, 2003)
- 5: Oetzi Oetztaler....Anti Apartheid (Dec 13, 2003)
- 6: GodBen (The Magical Astronomer) - 00000011 (Dec 13, 2003)
- 7: astrotomato (Dec 13, 2003)
- 8: Oetzi Oetztaler....Anti Apartheid (Dec 13, 2003)
- 9: GodBen (The Magical Astronomer) - 00000011 (Dec 13, 2003)
- 10: Asteroid Lil - Offstage Presence (Dec 13, 2003)
- 11: GreyDesk (Dec 14, 2003)
- 12: Good Doctor Zomnker (This must be Tuesday," said GDZ to himself, sinking low over his Dr. Pepper, "I never could get the hang of Tuesdays.") (Dec 14, 2003)
- 13: Doc U (Dec 14, 2003)
- 14: astrotomato (Dec 14, 2003)
- 15: GodBen (The Magical Astronomer) - 00000011 (Dec 14, 2003)
- 16: ~*}Black Angel{*~ (Dec 15, 2003)
- 17: ~*}Black Angel{*~ (Dec 15, 2003)
- 18: GodBen (The Magical Astronomer) - 00000011 (Dec 15, 2003)
- 19: Spacecadet Jack (Supreme Commander in Cheif) [Major] (Dec 16, 2003)
- 20: GodBen (The Magical Astronomer) - 00000011 (Dec 16, 2003)
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