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Ginger The Feisty Started conversation Jul 30, 1999
Have they fixed this yet? On other pages this hasn't shown up until I have posted an entry.
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The Ghost Of TV's Frink Posted Jul 31, 1999
Ummm..I don't know.
Interesting article, Ginger. I had assumed by the title that it had something to do with a vacation you took, but was pleasantly surprised by the history lesson instead. I shall be sure to bring pep pills if I ever visit.
By the way, I like the rejection counter on your main page. I'm up to 10 or 11 weeks myself......
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Ginger The Feisty Posted Jul 31, 1999
Cheers! I thought it made a change from the usual kind of articles you tend to see on here. It is also one of my favourite stories in English history simply because it is so coarse and contradicts the usual snobby image we have built up over our history.
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Lonnytunes - Winter Is Here Posted Jul 31, 1999
Well done Ginger. I was aware of the poker but the cow horn adds a whole new dimension. Wasn't Alfred the Great his grandfather?
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shazzPRME Posted Aug 1, 1999
Was that the "Morton" of Mortons Fork fame..the clever little bit of law that made it impossible to choose one way or another..either way you were caught on the prongs??
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Lonnytunes - Winter Is Here Posted Aug 1, 1999
Just a thought Ginger - Would a better title be The British Monarchy - a cautionary tale
Your heading could then be a tantalising intro
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Ginger The Feisty Posted Aug 1, 1999
Shazz - What? Did not understand!
Looney & pink - I have taken your advice. Thanks v. much!
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shazzPRME Posted Aug 1, 1999
Sorry!! I remember(?) learning about an interesting little scam which was perpetrated during that period of history.Having got my brain in gear..& cleared the alcohol out of my system..I realize that,like PP
I am in the wrong century!The principle was called *Mortons Fork* and it worked on the same idea as the question*Have you stopped beating your wife yet?*A *yes* implies that you have stopped..but that you did used to....and a *no* implies that you do,but haven't stopped!!
I believe now that it might have had something to do with *have you stopped being a Roman Catholic*...and was during the time of jolly old Henry 8
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John the gardener says, "Free Tibet!" Posted Aug 2, 1999
Brilliant article Ginger. That horn up the bum made me squirm. You really hit the right timbre with your description of the awful deed.
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Ginger The Feisty Posted Aug 2, 1999
Thanks JTG! I don't know why but it's always a story that has fascinated me because it was so ingenious for the times!
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Cheerful Dragon Posted Aug 28, 1999
I went to a school called Bablake in Coventry, West Midlands. The school was split into 'houses' each of which 'descended' from a local charity school. I was in Bailey house, which descended from the 'Green Gift' school (although our house colour was red!?!) The Green Gift school was founded by Edward II's wife in penance for her part in his murder. The Bailey house coat of arms was a silver tower (or bailey) on a red ground, said to represent Berkeley Castle.
I'd not heard about the use of the cow horn until I read your article, although I did once read that they used a table top or something similar to stop him writhing about.
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Ginger The Feisty Posted Aug 29, 1999
Thanks for the info - I might add it in when I have a chance! By all accounts I don't think anyone was that bothered that he was murdered because he was pretty much regarded by everyone as a *bad* king!
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Cheerful Dragon Posted Aug 29, 1999
I assume you mean bad in the sense defined by the Oxford English Dictionary, not as in 'bad = good, cool, etc'
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Ginger The Feisty Posted Aug 29, 1999
I'm a bit old to be picking up street slang so yes you are right. The reason I put the word in ** was because it is hard to define what makes a good or a bad monarch and I certainly don't think I am qualified to do it. On of the main reasons they thought Edward II was *bad* was because he lost Scotland - something that was never really his in the first place!
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