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benjaminpmoore Started conversation Mar 27, 2006
Entry: The Rise of Adolf Hitler- His First 30 years - A10410508
Author: benjaminpmoore - U3508889
This is a bit (alright, very) rough around the edges but does anyone like it? I thought the first thirty years was a good starting point but is it too long / not long enough? Too detailed, no enough detail? Aarrrgghh
A10410508 - The Rise of Adolf Hitler- His First 30 years
There is only one thing worse than being Gosho, and that is not being Gosho Posted Mar 29, 2006
Firstly, are you planning to work on this with a view to getting it into the Edited Guide via Peer Review?
A10410508 - The Rise of Adolf Hitler- His First 30 years
benjaminpmoore Posted Mar 29, 2006
Yes, that was more or less the plan.
A10410508 - The Rise of Adolf Hitler- His First 30 years
There is only one thing worse than being Gosho, and that is not being Gosho Posted Mar 29, 2006
Well it does need a lot of work, but I think you're on a result.
I'm no scholar of German or Nazi history but there's almost always someone here who knows about whatever subject any of us decides to write about.
I can see that you've already had a crack at using GuideML in your entry. Although some Researchers are put off by it and leave the formatting for the Sub-editor to deal with it's definitely worth learning and practicing because the closer you can get an entry to its finished state the more it's going to say and look like exactly what you have in mind for it - ie, the more control you have.
There are certain guidelines and strictures that the Editors insist upon however. They like entries to have an introduction, a main body and (if possible, but not compulsory) a conclusion. They also like entries to be split up into sections with headers <./>GuideML-HEADER</.> because headers split the entry into chapters for people who read h2g2 on the PDA platform. I reckon that your third paragraph would make a good basis for an introduction to this entry.
Is this likely to be the first in an autobiographical series of entries about Hitler? If so, you could make a University project out of it and get yourself a Field Researcher badge.
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echomikeromeo Posted Mar 30, 2006
I have a few comments on the first paragraph.
I have a book that says it's 'Brunau-am-Inn' - is what you have a typo or an actual variation? In any case, I'd recommend running spell-check and proofreading, as you've got some other errors.
I find the part about Alois a bit confusing. I don't think you need as much background about Alois in an entry about Adolf, but in any case if you can straighten it out and maybe cut it down a bit. You should mention that the marriage was incestuous, and I think there's also evidence that Alois beat Klara and probably raped her. (Mind you, all my info on Hitler's early life comes from Stephen Fry's novel 'Making History', so maybe I oughtn't to vouch for its historical accuracy.)
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This is a bit misleading, as first it became the National Socialist German Workers' Party, and then it won seats in the Reichstag, and then Hitler became chancellor, and then he was voted extra powers, and then he got to be the president *and* the chancellor... in any case, I think that sentence should be either removed or reworded.
All in all, though, not a bad start.
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benjaminpmoore Posted Mar 30, 2006
I would like to make it abudantly clear that this is in no way autobiographical. Think about it. -
In the mean time, it became apparent as I was writing that one entry on Hitler was simply going to be too long or too brief. I don't know whether it will stretch to five entries yet, but thanks for the pointer.
In terms of structure, this is all new to me, so I will look at some re-writing.
Thanks
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benjaminpmoore Posted Mar 30, 2006
Yes, tricky about what to include and what not to include about his dad. I suppose the marriage issue seems to me something that people ought to be aware of, but since much of it is speculation rather than fact, it seems to need rather more words that seem relvant. I'll have a rethink.
Yes, fair enough, the DAP never ran anything, I needed a snappy conclusion and that seemed pretty impressive. Rethink number two.
I will check my spelling, it is possible that it is a genuine variation, I honestly don't know. If I had my Kershaw book with me, I'd look at that but it's hardback and it's huge so I don't. Thanks for pointing it out.
I'll see about some more work on this, thanks for the feedback.
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Secretly Not Here Any More Posted Mar 30, 2006
I live in fear that one day Kershaw will join h2g2 and fill that with his inane Hitler-based ramblings. He's practically filled our Uni library.
A10410508 - The Rise of Adolf Hitler- His First 30 years
There is only one thing worse than being Gosho, and that is not being Gosho Posted Mar 30, 2006
A10410508 - The Rise of Adolf Hitler- His First 30 years
benjaminpmoore Posted Mar 30, 2006
I have abook by Ian Kershaw called Hitler:Hubris. It's HUGE. It's the kind of thing you could use to tease Tolstoy. And it's part 1. Volume 2 is Nemesis and that's just as big, and it's not the only one. It's a bit obsessive.
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Secretly Not Here Any More Posted Mar 30, 2006
I have Nemisis, maybe if we bring the two hardback monsters together they'll combine to make some bloated mess of Hitler-based historical work. Or maybe it'll summon the fell Kershaw himself.
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benjaminpmoore Posted Mar 30, 2006
Have you read it? I have more knowledge of Hitler up to, I guess, 1933 than after. Hoping to complete a set of entries covering his whole life- do you have any interest in helping?
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Secretly Not Here Any More Posted Mar 30, 2006
I would, but I'm suffering from Dictator fatigue at the moment... I did do an entry on leading Nazis you may want to look at though.
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benjaminpmoore Posted Mar 31, 2006
Shame, that leaves me with a lot of reading to do. I guess Nemesis is going to be my nemesis. What an irony. Never mind, read you entry, left a message, it's a very thorough piece and extremely worthwhile, as some of your other responses demonstrate.
In the meantime- if anyone at all is interested, the entry has been chanegd and is now slightly more exciting than it was before. Bits should be well and truly champed by all concerned.
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