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Wayfarer -MadForumArtist, Keeper of bad puns, Greeblet with Goo beret, Tangential One Started conversation Jan 23, 2001
there is no fraction for .9 repeating (that's .9999999999999999999999999999999999999999....... and so on forever)
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Decaf Silicon Posted Jan 24, 2001
Our math class keeps that as a running joke, as we've been told that .9 repeating = 1, through some formula, since it's 9/9. (5/9=.55555..., etc)
In a way, it does equal 1, as it's infinitely near 1.
-- Dmitri
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HenryS Posted Jan 24, 2001
I *does* equal one.
To prove it properly, you need to write 0.999999... as an infinite sum of the form:
Sum(n=1 to oo) { 9*(10)^(-n) }
then show that this sum converges to 1. But you need first year undergraduate mathematics to do that.
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Wayfarer -MadForumArtist, Keeper of bad puns, Greeblet with Goo beret, Tangential One Posted Jan 24, 2001
really? you do? i have used that formula in class before, but i wasn't a graduate anything then. it is near enough to one as makes no difference, but it isn't, quite. i think its 1-(.000......1(zero repeating with a one after all the zeros which is as close as you can get to zero and still not be))
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HenryS Posted Jan 25, 2001
Well, you need the university maths to define precisely what 'converges' means. Intuitively yes, it keeps getting nearer to 1, but thats not enough to be sure.
"1-(.000......1(zero repeating with a one after all the zeros which is as close as you can get to zero and still not be))"
This isnt a number. There is no place to put that one after all the zeros, because the zeros never end.
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DMarsh3000 Posted May 31, 2001
x = 0.99999...
10x = 9.99999...
Subtracting equations, 9x = 9
So x = 1, that is, 0.9999... = 1.
DM
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Researcher 178849 Posted Jun 3, 2001
This discussion lacks a definition of what is meant by writing 0.999... One cannot just use symbols arbitarily.
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HenryS Posted Jun 10, 2001
I'm assuming 0.999,,,, means:
sum from i = 1 to infinity of 9/(10^i)
With that definition its possible to show this sum converges to 1.
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- 1: Wayfarer -MadForumArtist, Keeper of bad puns, Greeblet with Goo beret, Tangential One (Jan 23, 2001)
- 2: Decaf Silicon (Jan 24, 2001)
- 3: HenryS (Jan 24, 2001)
- 4: Wayfarer -MadForumArtist, Keeper of bad puns, Greeblet with Goo beret, Tangential One (Jan 24, 2001)
- 5: HenryS (Jan 25, 2001)
- 6: DMarsh3000 (May 31, 2001)
- 7: Researcher 178849 (Jun 3, 2001)
- 8: HenryS (Jun 10, 2001)
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