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The 5-7-5 Rule
MaW Started conversation Dec 14, 1999
As in the US, English schoolchildren are taught the 5-7-5 syllable rule for Haikus - but we were always yelled at if we didn't conform exactly to it. But if we did, our poems were always really bad.
Mind you, they'd have been bad anyway
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Researcher 93445 Posted Dec 14, 1999
A chill in the air
keeps all Researcher poets
from posting haiku.
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Researcher 91530 (C) Posted Apr 6, 2000
Shoulders hunched over
I stare into the boob tube
Who is looking back?
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Zeitgeist Posted May 26, 2000
Flowers are blooming,
Bees and pollen fill the air,
This hayfever sucks.
It's well past midnight,
I must go to bed right now,
Or I will suffer.
Good night all of you,
I will speak with you again,
When I am awake.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........
Good night all,
Zeitgeist.
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belmar Posted May 27, 2000
Sleeping Researcher
Surfing the REM and alpha
Haiku dreaming
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Zeitgeist Posted May 28, 2000
Well it seems to me,
That indeed we do not have,
Anything better.
Or else we would not,
Be sitting here, posting our,
Warped and weird haiku.
I am awake now,
Having caught up with my sleep,
But my brain won't work.
Here is an idea,
How about a haiku test,
With random subjects.
Challenge for next post,
Create a haiku with the,
Subject of 'Jelly'.
Zeitgeist (can't believe he's doing this)
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Jim diGriz Posted May 28, 2000
Seven pints of beer...
God, I feel ill this morning.
My legs are jelly.
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Zeitgeist Posted May 31, 2000
Truly well done there,
I could not think of anything,
My brain was jelly.
But, does anyone
Have a challenging haiku
Word for me to use?
Zeitgeist......
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belmar Posted Jun 3, 2000
Challenge accepted
Of haiku words now thinking
...How about "elbows"
Mine can be sometimes
found resting on the desk top
holding my head up
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Zeitgeist Posted Jun 3, 2000
Elbows are indeed,
The most awkward of all joints,
Always sticking out.
But on occasions,
Elbows can be good,
For edging through crowds.
There, that's my response,
To the challenge of "elbow",
Hope you enjoy it!
Zeitgeist, who's wondering when this madness will end.....
p.s. The next challenge word is 'pregnancy'
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Jim diGriz Posted Jun 3, 2000
Hmm... pregnancy, huh?
A pregnant pause while I think...
Oh baby, that's tough!
The next challenge word:
"Zoroastrianism".
Must go in line two!
jd
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Zeitgeist Posted Jun 4, 2000
Here's a question... is
"Zoroastrianism":
Seven syllables?
Grabs dictionary,
"Zoroastrianism":
Good fights with evil
Is that good enough?
I had to simplify the
Definition though....
Zeitgeist
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belmar Posted Jun 4, 2000
...Well it works for me
shades of "Buffy" and "Angel"
can't be all that bad.
Ad speaking of which
that can be our next topic
for challenging word.
"Transylvania"
Yes,let's try one re vampires
get thinking caps on...
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belmar Posted Jun 4, 2000
OOOPS missed out an "n"
Spot deliberate mistake
in my last posting.
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Zeitgeist Posted Jun 4, 2000
Transylvania,
Is where vampires come from,
Or so I've been told.
Perhaps it's werewolves,
I can never remember,
Where beasties come from.
Zeitgeist.
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Researcher 166539 Posted Jan 11, 2001
Whenever I tell my (Japanese) mother that we were taught (and made to create) haiku in school (USA), she just laughs at the idea of non-Japanese creating such a thing. That to her, it is a cultural impossibility. I liked the explanation of haiku listed here. I don't have any warm sentiments about that style of writing but I liked how it explained a little further than what my textbooks ever said. These would be, the nature of the Japanese language makes the explained as "5-7-5 syllable" rule a falsity (as it is 5-7-5 letters, which to the English-speaking ear, would almost always sounds like 5-7-5 syllables) and that haikus deal with nature. (In school the ones we created could be about anything.) To illustrate, a simple haiku (mom, hope this is acceptable, hehe) would be in Japanese: natsu kuru to, semi ga naitari, ase wo kaku. (Translation: when summer comes, locusts cry [and], one sweats.) In English, one can quickly assess that whether this is not, (in native tongue or even translated), 5-7-5 letters nor 5-7-5 syllables (as the reader would most likely read the second native line as having 6 syllables). Yet, it is a haiku by definition nontheless. Maybe there will be a cultural translation revision one day, where scholars reassess the explanation of haiku (and other literary styles of non-native to your own cultural origin), and rules for creation. Perhaps 5-7-5 language building blocks? Like prefixes and suffixes within the words used to allow fuller and more complex thoughts. Then again, haiku is also about simplicity.
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aging jb Posted Jul 6, 2004
An English form related to the haiku only by its syllabic form is the "limeraiku".
Strictly 5-7-5, but containing rhyming syllables in the pattern a-a-b-b-a; the rhymes can be spaced in any way except that the final syllable must be an "a".
Examples:
Rhyme in a haiku;
It takes time. The seventeen
Made to mean and chime.
Compact and exact.
A brief form, too light for grief
Without perfect tact.
We hurtle to death
Life curtailed of influence
We fail to exert
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aging jb Posted Sep 22, 2004
I've put an extended example of the Limeraiku form in A3014768.
Perhaps I wish I had a better name for the form.
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aging jb Posted Jan 21, 2005
And another example at A3375227.
I wonder about "slightlines" for the form; at least it avoids the tenuous connections with both the haiku and the limerick.
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The 5-7-5 Rule
- 1: MaW (Dec 14, 1999)
- 2: Researcher 93445 (Dec 14, 1999)
- 3: Researcher 91530 (C) (Apr 6, 2000)
- 4: Zeitgeist (May 26, 2000)
- 5: belmar (May 27, 2000)
- 6: Jim diGriz (May 27, 2000)
- 7: Zeitgeist (May 28, 2000)
- 8: Jim diGriz (May 28, 2000)
- 9: Zeitgeist (May 31, 2000)
- 10: belmar (Jun 3, 2000)
- 11: Zeitgeist (Jun 3, 2000)
- 12: Jim diGriz (Jun 3, 2000)
- 13: Zeitgeist (Jun 4, 2000)
- 14: belmar (Jun 4, 2000)
- 15: belmar (Jun 4, 2000)
- 16: Zeitgeist (Jun 4, 2000)
- 17: Researcher 166539 (Jan 11, 2001)
- 18: aging jb (Jul 6, 2004)
- 19: aging jb (Sep 22, 2004)
- 20: aging jb (Jan 21, 2005)
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