h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Yeah, my comments were directed more or less at Sam's version.

Just out of curiosity, what do you born-agains think of other Christians? Are Catholics, for example, any better off than Jews or Muslims or pagans or atheists (to name a few), or are they just the same because they're not born-agains?

Sam's bile is open to everyone - I believe the words "catholic stench" were used somewhere

Don't you worry. Tha's not quite how "The Big Guy" really is (I don't think). That is how the bitter reactionary people would like you to think that He is, so that everybody is to busy doing what they say, and nobody notices that the direction progress is supposed to go is: Forward. you see Scape-goating,etc. Is not inherently supposed to play a large part in religions, I don't think, but since these after all are human-run institutions, there are at times, ways in which these things are not infallible to human corruptions, or,how would one say, faults if you will. Stuff, such as dogma, witch-trials, overzealousness, Inquisitions,etc. Which cxan also occur when people are totally anti-religions, or more specifically 100% against there being any religions at all. It all has to do with belief systems, and the thing of it is that as such, people's belief systems can occasionally at times be confused to being themselves as can material possessions, rather than say, as a part of an extension of their personality, or something which they use to help shape it/or are influenced (Pos. ,Neg., Neu., Some combination of the three Usu.). Then there are those whom I shall (ahem) have remain unmentioned, who do not feel that there is room for any interpretations other than their own, and might feel very much at odds with/threatened by a differing opinion(yes, or even one not necessarily opposed to their own, because they may not be able to perceive it as being that way. see I have already accounted for that facet, through thinking ahead). There are also some other more flexible folks...out there. somewhere. Since the intolerant folks tend to be the loudest(so to speak, please do not take it literally), You just have to look in the right places..

Am leaving this thread because it is too caustic. Goodbye.

I'm sorry to hear that you've left, thorn. I like debating religion and morals - one of the most controversial things I can think of to talk about!

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Who says what he's 'really like'? If he exists? I personally believe your interpretations of god(s) are just as valid as Sam's or that of anyone who's posted to this thread. (That is, I believe they're all bollocks.) But joking aside, it's quite impossible to determine what a god is 'really' like.

Careful echo, or you'll be joining me in the City of Dis!

Guess what, I will be, according to the test!

But I don't know how a fifteen-year-old was supposed to answer that: 'Have you ever been to a strip club?' 'Have you ever had intimate sexual relations with someone of the same sex?'

Hello again GSD.

"HAHAHAHA SoRB Good News answered your questioned and you didn't like it did you?!?!?"

I'm sorry, I don't understand your apparent amusement. Yes, Good_News did answer my question. A question I had directed to you, but leaving that aside, I absolutely DID like it. Because, apart from anything else, it makes a change from trying to get an answer out of you. I asked a straight question, and he gave a straight answer. That's how this is SUPPOSED to work. You might like to try it some time.

What happens now is that I go away and *test* Good_News's assertion. This is possible only because he gave a straight answer. If his assertion turns out to be true, then well done - there are YEC MPs in Northern Ireland. Given how deeply religion is ingrained in that community, it is perhaps not surprising.

Thank you for the additional names. I shall investigate them, also. (An interesting point, by the way, about this website which is different from the message boards you may be used to is that your postings here are not deleted, ever. I can point to postings here that I made 2001. This may have the effect of making you think carefully before posting. On the other hand, it may not.)

I do not believe I have at any stage "shifted the goalposts", and am interested that you seem so nervously defensive. I asked a question, Good_News answered straight. He then said "any more questions?", so I took him up on it with ONE additional question. That to me seems like a reasonable conversation, rather than the dishonesty you seem to be implying.

Anyway, as I said, until I have a result of my investigations into the people named, I have nothing further.

Thank you

SoRB




I also believe Peter Robinson MP, Gregory Campbell MP, Jeffrey Donaldson MP, Iris Robinson MP and Nigel Dodds MP are YECs. So that makes five!

Care to shift the goalposts again?

Hi Good News

Thanks for your effort to 'save me', but you'd be better spending the energy on someone more gullible. In this public arena where at least twenty undecided people read for everyone who posts your every statement drives more away from your God's 'grace'.

Your example of your motivation is very poor. Personally after warning the family of the fire I would treack down the arsonist and teach Him alesson He would not forget. Your merciful God is setting this fire and will condemne anyone who is not one of The Elect to eternal torment, no matter how virtuous or innocent they may be.

Your quote from Corinthians undermines your entire credibility. Your God only seems to want dumb sheep who will not question His very dubious motives.

To answer your question I have broken every one of those ten commandments, and many more besides. It is impossible not to as even buddhist monks and hindu ascetics will have. They are an impossible target.

I am neither stupid not arrogant as I have no belief in the Christian God, I have rejected Him as a cruel and genocidal lunatic. That is what being Apostate means. The word comes from the Greek you know, for 'runaway slave'. I find it amusing that this is the word chosen by Christians to describe those that reject their God, as if recognising their own true status.

The man Jesus's suffering on the cross was mercifully short. Most young fit men lasted for three of four days, not a few hours. His metaphysical pain only exists if you believe in Him, which I don't.

As a druid if a wicked man deserves to die I let him die. many druids such as I see life as just one step on a long journey, a continuous cycle of life, death and rebirth. We do not fear death, nor do we create huge religions to ameliorate that fear.

Reject the fear GN and become the man that the example of Jesus in Matthew allows you to be.

Blessings,
Matholwch /|\

Welcome to the fold, echo

This thread is being overrun with atheists. I think I shall withdraw.

Hmmm, I thought you said God preferred honest atheists to hypocritical Christians . . .


az

>I am sick of these so-called Christians who are prepared to compromise on core aspects of the faith. One must either accept the entire Bible as the infallible Word of God, or else all of it is a lie and God Himself is a liar.

So-called liberal / nominal 'Christians' are increasingly rejecting core Bible truths, the main one of which is six day creation.

If God had created the world over a longer timeframe, he would said precisely that and would not have told us otherwise in the Bible through some form of coded message, as Christian evolutionists seem to think. There is absolutely ZERO scope in the Bible for intrepreting the creation account in such a way.

I use to just feel sorrow for these poor deluded people, and assumed that, in time, the Holy Spirit would have opened their eyes. But I am seriously beginning to wonder now whether they are not, in fact, being used as tools of the devil, to sow the seeds of corruption and disharmony within the Christian faith. True Christians who have been born again must shun these evolutionists. We must not tolerate such beliefs in our midst, and we should drive them from our churches and exclude them from all fellowship until they repent and confess with their mouths that Jesus is Lord and the Bible is true. Otherwise we may as well open our gates to homosexuals, fornicators, liars, theives and murderers. ALL will sow the seeds of corruption.

The Word of God clearly says that we are to keep ourselves separate from such people, and grow in Christ with the support of all others who are walking the same path.

I have a feeling that God is in the business of separating the wheat from the chaff during these last days. He wants to see who will stand up for basic, Biblical truths and who will try and twist scripture for their own ends. I know which camp I am sin. Do you?<



I really pity you Sam. I truly do. I have been brought up with the Christian Faith. Went to Sunday school. Went to church. Got baptised. Was confirmed. Was in the church choir. Became a server.

All those things I did were for nothing then? Granted, I don't go to church anymore. Basically because all my local churches have now closed down. I wonder if that's because someone kicked out all the
homosexuals, fornicators, liars, theives and murderers. Or, perhaps those who don't believe in the 6 day creation.

If this is what happened, then the church shot themselves in the foot didn't they. By getting rid of those who, perhaps, were wanting to repent for their sins, they then created the end of their own church.

It is known that someone can live a sinful life, but upon death, as long as he/she repents with all their heart, they will then be allowed through the gates of heaven.

Gordon Bennett!!! I thought we'd finished with all this last year!!!!

'Thanks for your effort to 'save me', but you'd be better spending the energy on someone more gullible.'

Pride is a dangerous thing. It can keep people from going to the doctors and it can keep people from accepting God. In both cases, people will suffer.

'Personally after warning the family of the fire I would treack down the arsonist and teach Him alesson He would not forget. Your merciful God is setting this fire and will condemne anyone who is not one of The Elect to eternal torment, no matter how virtuous or innocent they may be.'

God does not set the fire-it is you who are setting the fire. Your sins are what keeps the fire burning. God is merciful in that He is offering you the chance to escape Hell. You put yourself in Hell but God can put the fires out-if only you would listen to Him.

'They are an impossible target.'

They act as a mirror to show how filthy we actually are. But Jesus managed to keep them and that is why His sacrifice is enough to save us all.

'I have rejected Him as a cruel and genocidal lunatic.'

How is He cruel? He is righteous and must punish people for their sins. But it is you who makes the fires burn in Hell. But God, in His mercy has endured suffering and pain for you. He died an agonizing death to save you from Hell-and you call Him cruel? Crazy…

Now, please, turn away from the devil and all his works. You can repent and turn to God. It is the only way to escape the Hell that you have created with your sinful life and reach a glorious bliss that you could never imagine.

God Bless

Good_News

"I really pity you Sam. I truly do. I have been brought up with the Christian Faith. Went to Sunday school. Went to church. Got baptised. Was confirmed. Was in the church choir. Became a server"

These things count for zilch in the eyes of God. You may as well have been a muslim jihadist. You cannot earn brownie points with God. Salvation is wholly depended upon you confessing your sin and asking Jesus Christ into your life.

Ye must be born again. There is no shortcut.

To add to what VV said

Just to remind you people

Most of jesus's deciples were, theives, murders and liars.

If jesus is able to forgive and not judge, and lets not forget, only god is able to judge another, why is it not good enough for you?

Now I KNOW you're here to wind people up!!!!

I have my own views on God, The Lord. He is in my heart and I need no-one to tell me otherwise.

If someone falls over in the street, do you walk past them because you think God has smited them, hence them falling over? Or do you help them as is the christian thing to do? I'm intrigued.

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Really? I thought it was a case of God choosing you, so if you don't get 'lucky' and win the God Lottery then it doesn't matter how much you pray and repent - yer still a goner!


az

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Any idea why you think He chose *you*?

WARNING: STENCHY CATHOLIC APPROACHING!!! You may want to stand aside so that I don't affect your olfactory sense!

In with my worth since I've been lurking awhile and enjoying this debate immensely!

MY God asked me to love my neighbour, to show kindness and charity to all, no matter colour, race or religion, to help those who are weaker or poorer than me.

I certainly don't interpret that to mean that I must revile them and accuse them of smelling!!! I had a shower this morning, thank you very much!!!

Sam and Good News, as you've been born again into YOUR religion, you are some of the chosen few and you will go to heaven automatically? So what happens if you become a politician and possibly Prime Minister and you have to command your military forces into action, thereby condemning some of them and definately some of your foe to death. How does that get past the "Thou shalt not kill" bit? Does your "I'm chosen and I'll get into Heaven" pass still work then?

What if telling the truth will get your party booted out at the next election, how does that work with "Thou shalt not bear false witness"?

Or does the bit in the Bible that says you will go to Hell if you break any of the commandments not apply to you two?

And as a complete side note, regarding your names:

Sam, for a person who is supposed to be humble in the eyes of his God, why do you call yourself Grand? Is that not a tad self-agrandising? (freemason alert sounding)

Good News, well frankly, you're not spouting that much Good News, now are you? "You lot are all going to burn in the eternal fires of Hell" tends not to be the best news I've ever heard!

Although if some of these other lovely agnostics, atheists, christians, buddhists, shintoists, muslims, jews, presbyterians, wiccans, druids, pagans and other stimulating conversationalists are going to be there then I'll bring the burgers and we can have an eternal BBQ!

Deakie

I don't have time at the moment to fully write about your message but here are a few points:

'You may want to stand aside so that I don't affect your olfactory sense!'

I didn't make that remark about Catholics and I do think that Catholics can be saved (although perhaps not all). I have in fact been accused of being 'too Catholic' in some ways (for one, I don't see any problem in crucifixes).

' So what happens if you become a politician and possibly Prime Minister and you have to command your military forces into action'

Well I do wish to become a politician one day. But as for your question, 'do not kill' (in the Hebrew) is 'do not murder'. The Bible does not forbid killing if it is lawful or in self defense. And killing in war is lawful (God helped the Jews at war) and should only be done in self defense.

'Or does the bit in the Bible that says you will go to Hell if you break any of the commandments not apply to you two?'

You go to Hell for living in sin. But when you are saved, you are not longer a slave to sin. You will still sin of course (everybody does) but it will be a fall into sin and God will forgive you.

'Good News, well frankly, you're not spouting that much Good News, now are you? '

I am indeed. You are all on your way to Hell and I am telling you how you can escape it and go to eternal bliss. That IS Good News.