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The Great Flood of 2350 BC
ITIWBS Posted Mar 16, 2016
Ditto, Malta: http://sacredsites.com/europe/malta/temples_malta.html
The Great Flood of 2350 BC
ITIWBS Posted Mar 16, 2016
Meanwhile, with respect to agriculture, there are occasional depictions of plants in European cave art, sometimes in (usually single) straight rows.
The Great Flood of 2350 BC
Gnomon - time to move on Posted Mar 16, 2016
The trouble with dating Stonehenge is that there are three separate constructions on the same site. The one that everyone thinks of as Stonehenge, with the big stones and lintels, is the latest one, from about 1500 BC if I remember rightly.
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Icy North Posted Mar 16, 2016
And don't forget the stage they constructed for the Hawkwind Free Festival
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paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant Posted Mar 16, 2016
I enjoyed Spinal Tap's song about Stonehenge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyh1Va_mYWI
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ITIWBS Posted Mar 17, 2016
Major global flooding incidents are correlated against glacial melt driven sea level increase events.
Sea level increase stats for the past 20,000 years:
http://www.google.com/search?q=chronology+of+sea+level+increase+events+since+the+last+ice+age&client=tablet-android-verizon&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiP9qyTw8bLAhXsvYMKHbD0Cj0Q_AUIBygB&biw=962&bih=601#tbm=isch&q=chronology+of+sea+level+increase+events+of+the+last+20%2C000+years&imgrc=0iFJVviIHy990M%3A
For the last 9,000 years:
http://www.google.com/search?q=chronology+of+sea+level+increase+events+since+the+last+ice+age&client=tablet-android-verizon&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiP9qyTw8bLAhXsvYMKHbD0Cj0Q_AUIBygB&biw=962&bih=601#tbm=isch&q=chronology+of+sea+level+increase+events+of+the+last+10%2C000+years&imgrc=CTx0ftqv7GFKjM%3A
Still trying to find maps of coastline changes of the same time scale.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Mar 17, 2016
The issue of coastline changes is complicated. When Ireland was covered in ice, there was less water in the ocean so the sea level was lower. But the weight of all that ice pushed the land downwards into the mantle so the land level was lower too.
There are "raised beaches" where the sea level used to be against the land.
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ITIWBS Posted Mar 17, 2016
...a bygone era of ptoblemstical legend including the lost kingdoms of Lyonesse and Ys and Hybrasil, in an era when the Baltic was a landlocked fresh water lake...
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You can call me TC Posted Mar 17, 2016
Is that where the town of Ystad gets its name from?
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Mar 17, 2016
Hy, Y and Í, all pronounced ee, meant island in Irish. The Scandinavian ey is the same word.
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ITIWBS Posted Mar 18, 2016
Ypres.
Some of the megalithic monuments at Carnac in Brittany dated at 6850 BCE, that would place them prior to the flooding of the Black Sea basin.
http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/francecarnac.htm
If there ever was a flood that might have placed Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat, the 6800 BCE flooding of the Black Sea basin definitely could have.
There are also flooded out ruins along the course of the ancient Danube, apparently washed out when the river ran backwards as a consequence of tsunami wave activity.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Mar 18, 2016
The Black Sea Deluge theory is a nice one, but I'm not convinced. The Bosphorus channel doesn't look to me as if it is only 7,000 years old.
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paulh, vaccinated against the Omigod Variant Posted Mar 18, 2016
Might it have been smaller before the Deluge? Or might there have been several flood episodes?
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Dmitri Gheorgheni, Post Editor Posted Mar 18, 2016
I don't want to weigh in on the question of floods - I'm not qualified - but on folklore...it's like this: Genesis material has a lot to do with ancient Mesopotamian accounts.
Mesopotamia, land of rivers, host to the occasional major flood - an event which could be truly cataclysmic, especially when you see what their cities were made of.
The Mesopotamian version of this story was that some of the gods decided to flood the river valley and kill everyone. The river god objected, and helped some friendly people escape by suggesting they build a boat. Utnapishtim, the Noah of the Epic of Gilgamesh, becomes immortal, along with his wife.
Now, for reasons I won't go into here, I understand why the Noah version is superior in terms of anagogical meaning. But I think the most reasonable answer to the question, 'Where did the Genesis writers get that story?' is 'The same place they got Nimrod - Mesopotamian records.'
End of heretical interlude.
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Gnomon - time to move on Posted Mar 18, 2016
There's the Oscillating Inundation theory as well, which says that sometimes the flow was into the Black Sea and sometimes out of it.
At the moment, we have freshwater flowing out of the Black Sea on the surface of the Bosphorus and simultaneously salt water flowing into the Black Sea at the bottom of the channel.
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ITIWBS Posted Mar 19, 2016
The tower of Babel was destroyed by Xerxes following the rebellion in the kingdom of Babel that compelled him to break off his effort to conquer the Greeks.
There are some remaining corner stumps of the structure.
Someday, it may be possible to get a reliable carbon dating and definitively settle the time of Nimrod.
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