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What is reality?

Post 1

Gone again

This is the latest in a line of entries, but because you can't edit them, I have to post it anew:

Reality is what we perceive it to be. This is not an absolute statement, but it's as close as we can get, as the following paragraphs explain.

Axiom[1]: human perception is intrinsically subjective; objective[2] perception is impossible for us. [3]

We can understand the concept of objectivity. We can formulate objective hypotheses. But we cannot objectively verify their truth in the real world, as our perception is not objective. So the pursuit of *objective* - certain - knowledge is pointless (although the search for *knowledge* is not).

[More formally, this has to do with 'completeness': David Hilbert said around 1928 that if we are going to have any fundamental system for all of mathematics it must satisfy three basic requirements: consistency, completeness and decidability. Completeness means that if any statement is true, there must be some way of proving it by using the rules of your system. In this sense, objective science is incomplete, as objective truth cannot be proven according to its own (objective) standards.]

So what is left if we set aside objectivity? This is best answered with a brief thought experiment: Consider a group of creatures living in a reality that has objective existence, whether the creatures know it or not. Select a creature at random. What does it know of the reality in which it lives? It learns of this reality from its perceptions, so on what can its perceptions depend?

1. The reality in which the creature lives.
2. The creature's mind.
3. The mind(s) of one or more of its fellow creatures.
4. Some combination of the above.
5. None of the above.

Option 1 represents objective perception. What the creature perceives is dependent only on the external reality in which it lives. It has certain knowledge of its environment.

Options 2, 3 and 5 represent variations on the theme of solipsism. The creature's perceptions have no connection with the reality in which it lives. It has no certain knowledge of its environment.

I believe that option 4 represents the position in which we (humans) find ourselves, that our perception depends upon our minds *and* on the reality in which we live. We have knowledge of our environment, but it isn't certain (i.e. objective) knowledge. This, in my opinion, is the perceptual reality that lies in between Objectivity and Solipsism.

Abandoning our preoccupation with objectivity has benefits. For example:

+ To affect certain knowledge of an objective world is self-deception that muddies our thinking. Deliberate self-deception like this requires strong justification, and I can see none.

+ The illusion of certainty masks other possibilities. Any significant and new discovery will probably contradict current wisdom. If we *know* we are right, we discount - or fail to recognise - indications to the contrary, preventing any such discovery. Being aware of the fallibility of our perceptions improves our perception!

+ What we (subjectively) perceive has a probability of being correct. We can attempt to quantify that probability. Previously, it never occurred to us to consider such things: certainty is 100% probable. Learning to evaluate the accuracy of our perceptions will surely move our understanding forward.

So reality is what we perceive it to be. Probably.

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[1] Axiom: an assumption or act of faith; a statement whose truth is accepted without proof.

[2] Objective: something whose truth is not dependent on people's opinions or conceptions.

[3] As axioms go, this one is relatively safe. Consider:

Hypothesis: human perception is intrinsically subjective; objective perception is impossible for us.

Analysis: If the hypothesis is true, then it is impossible for a human to verify; there can be no objective proof of the hypothesis. If the hypothesis is false, then an objective refutation ought to be possible. The solipsist view - that "I" am the only real thing, and all else is a figment of my imagination - has remained objectively unassailable for millennia. If there were an objective refutation for the solipsist view, it would also invalidate our hypothesis. No such refutation has emerged.

Conclusion: The evidence is not conclusive. On the balance of probabilities, the hypothesis is probably true.


What is reality?

Post 2

Lemon Blossom (aka Athena Albatross)

I agree, although I don't think option 3 is really part of it--I'd say it is the result of options 1 and 2.


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Post 3

Gone again

Oddly enough, I'd have to say that option 3 has considerable influence, in the sense that what we perceive is heavily influenced by what we believe, which is influenced in turn by the beliefs of those with whom we communicate. So, although that isn't what I meant when I wrote it, and it probably isn't what you meant either, I don't think we can ignore the contribution made by our peers. smiley - winkeye

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Post 4

taliesin

[4] Reality is for those who don't understand science fiction smiley - silly


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Post 5

taliesin

A few years ago, while I was strolling through one of Vancouver's newer malls, I noticed an illuminated professional sign which read: 'Reality Network'

smiley - scientistIn the spirit of scientific enquiry, I went inside.

The large office was staffed with a number of persons apparently of East Indian origin...

There was also an extensive array of building photos and property listings on large display boards!smiley - erm

Oh, my goodness gracious. Very wonderful yes! smiley - biggrin


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Post 6

Lemon Blossom (aka Athena Albatross)

But for 3 to affect reality, it has to affect the perciever's mind, which makes it part of 2.


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Post 7

Gone again



For a car to be perceived, it has to affect the perceiver's mind, but this doesn't make it *part* of the perceiver's mind, does it? smiley - winkeye Seriously, let's not get tangled up in the list. It isn't important in its minutest details. It's an attempt to cover all the options, but the claim I end up making is that the 'truth' smiley - erm is some combinations of 1, 2 and/or 3, which I think is reasonable.

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Post 8

Lemon Blossom (aka Athena Albatross)

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But the perception does become part of the mind until you stop percieving/remembering it.

But this is being pedantical of me.


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Post 9

Gone again

Yes, I agree with the pedantic validity of what you say smiley - winkeye but it rather detracts from the simple (and maybe simplistic smiley - biggrin) way I'm trying to list the possible influences on the perception of our hypothetical creature. What I understand you to say is that the elements in my list can't really be considered separate or independent, and I agree with that. smiley - ok

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