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Mrs Zen Posted Jun 13, 2005
'Combant' them?
Well, it is good to see that the socialists have a nice firm grip on realtity then.
What is wrong with increasingly international trade alliances such as the European Union to combat them?
On second thoughts....
*makes another pot of tea*
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Z Posted Jun 13, 2005
Er combat even.
*Hides behind Das Capital*
I think that these organisations can too easily become the tools that Evil Multinational Corperations. (EMNCS)
Mind you the European Union has done a very good job of promoting workers rights, but that's been a matter of luck really. Also there's very little to stop EMNCS simply moving into areas that are out of the reach of such organisations.
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Mrs Zen Posted Jun 13, 2005
On the other hand my is picked by five year old children who work 20 hours a day for a wage of three tealeaves a month.
Well, the bigger the government the bigger it costs to buy it, I guess, so at least the EU will have a very expensive class of 'sponsor'.
Joking aside, I really wish I had some sort of thought about how to re-democratise the democracies.
Ben
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Z Posted Jun 13, 2005
*Z begins to float above the room on a cloud of self satisfied smugness*
Some sort of thought?
That's the lovely thing about being in the SWP if you can't be bothered working out what to think then you just read the Socialist Worker to find out...
Actually I was in the SWP during 9/11, and it was quite useful when you were totally stunned to have someone to tell you what to think.
As you may tell from the fact that my tounge is firmly in my cheek I'm not yet 100% convinced that one revolution is *the One* solution. But I do have a strange desire to do some reading on both socialism and economics.
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Mrs Zen Posted Jun 13, 2005
Well read the economics first. Do the math!
>> it was quite useful when you were totally stunned to have someone to tell you what to think.
That was what was so fascinating about that particular day - the commentators and analysts and pundits were reduced to being witnesses, as were we all. That was the really unsettling thing about it. I so wish I'd been able to video the coverage...
I remember when the Agentinians invaded the Falklands, people reacted by instinct, and sweet middle class children got all patriotic about it when the correct line for International Socialists was to support the freedom fighters in the liberation of the Malvinas. Delightful to watch the poor darlings have to volte face in order to keep their Red Cred.
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Z Posted Jun 13, 2005
But were they freedom fighters or invaders?
It wasn't exactly a popular revolutionary movement made up of the workers of the Malvinas was it?
Yes I need to do the math. But I don't really know enough about large scale maths in order to be able to tell good from the .I used to have a lovely little book, published by Bookmarks (the socalist publishing house) that explained how Socialism would add up after the revolution.
I read it from cover to cover several times, and it all seemed to add up: I'm fairly sure that there was a hole in it somewhere, I just couldn't see what it was.
Much the same way as when I first started reading medical research I couldn't understand the statistics properly, so it was so temptping to say things like 'ooh yes numbers, that's good, it must be right then..'
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Mrs Zen Posted Jun 13, 2005
It was the fact that they had to be told what to think, poor dears.
I am not enough of an economist to form my own opinions, to be honest, but I do understand a little bit about commerce and about markets, and I do *know* mathematicians.
Channel 4 if you cannot get to sleep, by the way.
A man with his twin in his stomach. Wierder than wierd!
Ben
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Z Posted Jun 13, 2005
I find that rather amusing - when people need to be told what think.
Ooh I have ordered the John Diamond book I was telling you about off Amazon.
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Mrs Zen Posted Jun 13, 2005
Oh, good. I really must borrow the other one.
I couldn't find any weblinks for the thing on Channel 4 - but these are similar events:
http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=30046
and
http://www.islamonline.net/iol-english/dowalia/techng-08-03-2000/newswires1.asp
Isn't it wonderful when life shows you things you'd never even thought of!
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Z Posted Jun 13, 2005
OOOh I think I saw that when it was 'Not-A-Repeat'.
As you got 'C' off the shelf I inadvertently started rereading it, so I should be finished by Thursday if I read at my unusal pace.
And you *must* borrow Snake Oil - to be honest I mainly got it to lend to you..
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Mrs Zen Posted Jun 13, 2005
Oh and http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2987963.stm
Actually, it is making me rather queasy.
*sips tea*
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Mrs Zen Posted Jun 13, 2005
You *knew* about something as wierdly bizzare as that, and never told me?
I'll borrow them both later on, hon.
Thanks.
Now if I get two 'no new posts' on 'refresh' I'll be able to go to bed.
Ben
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Z Posted Jun 13, 2005
'Er Sorry. Yes.
I'd forgotten about it to be honest..
*continues to stroke Ben*
I need to make some sandwiches for tomorrow then I will go to bed. I've just put the bins out. Rather a mammoth excersie really..
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