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Post 21

Mrs Zen

'Combant' them?

Well, it is good to see that the socialists have a nice firm grip on realtity then.

What is wrong with increasingly international trade alliances such as the European Union to combat them?

On second thoughts....

*makes another pot of tea*


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Post 22

Z

Er combat even.

*Hides behind Das Capital*

I think that these organisations can too easily become the tools that Evil Multinational Corperations. (EMNCS)

Mind you the European Union has done a very good job of promoting workers rights, but that's been a matter of luck really. Also there's very little to stop EMNCS simply moving into areas that are out of the reach of such organisations.


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Post 23

Z

*Makes a pot of coffee for those lurkers who don't drink tea*

Not to worry, it's fair trade.

smiley - coffee


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Post 24

Mrs Zen

On the other hand my smiley - tea is picked by five year old children who work 20 hours a day for a wage of three tealeaves a month. smiley - evilgrin

Well, the bigger the government the bigger it costs to buy it, I guess, so at least the EU will have a very expensive class of 'sponsor'.

Joking aside, I really wish I had some sort of thought about how to re-democratise the democracies.

smiley - sadface

Ben


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Post 25

Z

*Z begins to float above the room on a cloud of self satisfied smugness*

Some sort of thought?

That's the lovely thing about being in the SWP if you can't be bothered working out what to think then you just read the Socialist Worker to find out...

Actually I was in the SWP during 9/11, and it was quite useful when you were totally stunned to have someone to tell you what to think.

As you may tell from the fact that my tounge is firmly in my cheek I'm not yet 100% convinced that one revolution is *the One* solution. But I do have a strange desire to do some reading on both socialism and economics.


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Post 26

Mrs Zen

Well read the economics first. Do the math!

>> it was quite useful when you were totally stunned to have someone to tell you what to think.

That was what was so fascinating about that particular day - the commentators and analysts and pundits were reduced to being witnesses, as were we all. That was the really unsettling thing about it. I so wish I'd been able to video the coverage...

I remember when the Agentinians invaded the Falklands, people reacted by instinct, and sweet middle class children got all patriotic about it when the correct line for International Socialists was to support the freedom fighters in the liberation of the Malvinas. Delightful to watch the poor darlings have to volte face in order to keep their Red Cred.

smiley - smiley


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Post 27

Z

But were they freedom fighters or invaders?
smiley - erm

It wasn't exactly a popular revolutionary movement made up of the workers of the Malvinas was it?

Yes I need to do the math. But I don't really know enough about large scale maths in order to be able to tell good from the smiley - bleep.I used to have a lovely little book, published by Bookmarks (the socalist publishing house) that explained how Socialism would add up after the revolution.

I read it from cover to cover several times, and it all seemed to add up: I'm fairly sure that there was a hole in it somewhere, I just couldn't see what it was.

Much the same way as when I first started reading medical research I couldn't understand the statistics properly, so it was so temptping to say things like 'ooh yes numbers, that's good, it must be right then..'


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Post 28

Mrs Zen

Oh... The BBC Learning Zone is on. *Really* past my bedtime! smiley - yikes

*waves goodnight to lurkers*


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Post 29

Mrs Zen

It was the fact that they had to be told what to think, poor dears.

I am not enough of an economist to form my own opinions, to be honest, but I do understand a little bit about commerce and about markets, and I do *know* mathematicians.

Channel 4 if you cannot get to sleep, by the way.

A man with his twin in his stomach. Wierder than wierd!

Ben


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Post 30

Z

I find that rather amusing - when people need to be told what think.

Ooh I have ordered the John Diamond book I was telling you about off Amazon.


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Post 31

Mrs Zen

Oh, good. smiley - ok I really must borrow the other one.

I couldn't find any weblinks for the thing on Channel 4 - but these are similar events:

http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=30046

and

http://www.islamonline.net/iol-english/dowalia/techng-08-03-2000/newswires1.asp

Isn't it wonderful when life shows you things you'd never even thought of!


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Post 32

Z

OOOh I think I saw that when it was 'Not-A-Repeat'.

As you got 'C' off the shelf I inadvertently started rereading it, so I should be finished by Thursday if I read at my unusal pace.

And you *must* borrow Snake Oil - to be honest I mainly got it to lend to you..


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Post 33

Mrs Zen

Oh and http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2987963.stm

Actually, it is making me rather queasy.

*sips tea*


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Post 34

Mrs Zen

You *knew* about something as wierdly bizzare as that, and never told me?

I'll borrow them both later on, hon.

Thanks.

Now if I get two 'no new posts' on 'refresh' I'll be able to go to bed. smiley - smiley

Ben


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Post 35

Z

*strokes Ben soothingly*


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Post 36

Mrs Zen

And that's supposed to make me *sleepy*? smiley - tongueout

You ought to go to bed too, you know!


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Post 37

Z

'Er Sorry. Yes. smiley - blush

I'd forgotten about it to be honest..

*continues to stroke Ben*

smiley - evilgrin

I need to make some sandwiches for tomorrow then I will go to bed. I've just put the bins out. Rather a mammoth excersie really..


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Post 38

Mrs Zen

smiley - smiley

It would have been...

Good night, pet.

B


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Post 39

Z

smiley - smooch

Good night pet..

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Post 40

Z

Ooh and please don't hold any Socialist Mammoth tendancies against me.

Z..


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