h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

Well, Spook, that is exactly the kind of response that i have come to expect from you.

Mr innocent, mr. right, mr. 'i really don't feel compelled to try to think about what other people are saying very often'

to be fair, i *have* seen you react to feedback - but it's replies like the one above that characterise 'researcher Spook' in my h2g2 experience.

remember the 'One-liners' thread? You got there in the end, i spose, but it was hard-work getting compromise out of you.

Well, I'm glad you don't feel responsible for Hoo jacking in writing entries - that's just dandy for you.

I'm galled that you don't see that it is a loss for the guide; that you *are* in part responsible; and that you don't seem in the least bit motivated to put things right.

and just out of interest, this is not a 'sticking up for my pal' thing; i don't really know Hoo that well at all besides a few encounters in PR.

I'm getting spooky Deja Vu from the (Infamous) Intelligence thread. Researcher leaves, people assign blame, bad feelings are generated. The h2g2 record with public post mortems is poor, so I'd suggest people take it to email or some seperate thread with lower traffic.


-Martin (and yes I know that's nonstandard XML... )

i didn't say i was right, in fact i said i was wrong bcz in the post in question i should i have said please, so i was bad mannered in my post and i apologise.

the one-liners thread peopel were very rude and harsh to me, and i acted on things and was polite for as long as i could take it. but i stuck with all the harsh comments and in the end i got that entry into the edited guide, but to get it there i had to make numerous updates.

i do see that hoo stopping writing entries for the EG is a loss, but if spook is just gonna stop bcz of one comment i made then that is up to him. i don't need to put things right, it's up to hvl whether he is willing to stick with it or whether he is just gonna quit when he's told he's not always right.

spook

Yes chaps, let's stop littering anna's PS with bad vibes- either post something constructive, or keep your fingers off the keys.

Damn it, where's an arbiter when you need one?

*Good Vibes *

Om.... Om....

hmm

I can see where both of you are coming from, and I think it may be a bit of 'Know thyself'. Often people cannot see how they come across to others. I think in the tao, it's called being unskillful. At times, we are all guilty of this, mself included. o

A lot of this is about choice of words. As these posts don't have any way of getting tonality across except by using the smileys, what is meant in an inoffensive manner may not come across as such.

Just think of how *many* ways you can say 'would you kindly remove this entry' - about any entry. Smiling, sarcastic, imperious, angry. Without smiley type clues, often the worst interpretation is given by the recipient. a better way might be to say 'It would be helpful if you could remove this entry' or ' this entry would be better placed in (choose forum) and you can do it in the following way'.

I suppose the best thing to say would be 'think before posting' and sleep on it if necessary.

Although you are not responsible for the way another researcher takes your words, you can be more neutral in language which should result in fewer misunderstandings.



Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent

Without meaning to be insulting spook, you might find a lot of these problems disappear if you take a little more care over your English. A lack of punctuation, bad spelling, and sloppy typing all mean there are even more ways in which your posts can be mis-interpreted. Just looking at your post before you hit the 'post button', and thinking, 'can this be misconstrued', could make a world of difference.

Just to show I'm not being one-sided, Hoo, if you took a little time to remember that not everyone is as old as you, as experienced as you, or as smart as you, it might help you see the other side of things a little better.

Excellent, now I can be flamed from both sides. Come on chaps, warm up my cold toes

*continues *

Om... Om...

*looks up*

Tell me when the fighting starts

kerravon, ut i won't be flaming u since i said i wasn't going to get mad over this.

typos - if i notice them while typing i correct them, if i don't then i don't. in today'sworld i don't have time to re-read long post for typos. it isn't bad spelling or sloppy typing, i simply write quick and sometimes make typos.

bad spelling - typos

lack of punctuation - well, i usualy use fullstops, commas etc o i don't see anything wrong there.

like i say, if hvl is gonna stop writing entries to the EG bcz i did not say please in a post, which i have apologised for, then that's up to him, and i take no responsibility. that's his choice totally, and i don't mind either way cause i don't hold grudges.

spook - i have started putting the cool smiley at the end after my name of each post, to show that everything is cool, no anger or hard feelings type, if u no what i mean. and i'd started doing that befre this issue.

Okay chaps, I've counted to ten...

In that post old man, there are four spelling mistakes, and Heaven knows how many examples of 'txt' slang rather than clear English. Can't you understand that not everyone uses that sort of slang, and some people find it time consuming and tricky to read.

That sort of quick post is fine when you're chatting, but in PR , or more serious conversations, it stops your message getting across. Don't you want your posts to be clearly understood? If you do, I'd suggest you seriously consider using the preview button, to re-read what you've written. I do, it takes less than 30 seconds. Try it, you might like it. For a start, it might stop you being open to accusations of being 'dumb', or 'illiterate', which I'm sure you don't appreciate.

There has been a lot of bad feeling in various places today, and that's a shame. Researchers are making decisions based on the the way they see things. That is their right, and no-one should be pointing fingers at others and saying 'that's your fault'.

Posting styles are unique, like personalities. While we all share the same website, it would be nice if we can appreciate the differences in each other, even if we don't like those styles.

That's true enough Mina, I was just trying to suggest to all parties why things could have got out of hand so quickly, and how posts can be misconstrued. Hell, I know I'm terrible for using local slang and assuming everyone will understand it- only this afternoon I managed to confuse the blazes out of Dr. St. Justin.

Since I don't seem to be succeeding tho, maybe I should leave it here

Have a cup of with me instead, while we wait for morning.

? Teatime is 0500-1900 - it's time now . Morning, mmm, I'm actually looking forward tomorrow morning, back at work after two days off being bored- I've felt fine to work, but my boss has insisted I stay at home, incase I infect everyone else

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KerrAvon wrote: "why things could have got out of hand so quickly"

Things did not get out of hand quickly. I made a discreet complaint last week. Six days ago, in post 4 of this thread, I made the following query:

"if that *is* how the Scout scheme works, then please tell me right away so that I can withdraw the ... entries I've got in PR and not submit any more."

Today, six days later, the query has been answered definitively and I have done as promised. This is, I might suggest, not indicative of something getting out of hand quickly.

H.

I wondered why I had seen you on-line this afternoon, KerrAvon. I took the afternoon off to sort out my storm damage (maybe all this is a sort of aftermath of the storm) and pick all the glass up.

Hope you feel better soon! tomorrow it is, then.

actually, hoovooloo, i have a feeling that your q was answered wrong. scouts do have a right to ask that researchers remove entries from peer review, but only on the basis that the entry is not suitable for the edited guide, and/or that there is a consensus in peer review that it should be removed. what u asked is whether a scout who says that they aren't gonna pick the entry have a right to tell the researcher to remove the entry from pr, which is they don't. they only have the right to demand the removal of an entry from pr when it is agreed the entry is unsuitable.

i think that your q was answered incorrectly. i felt when i posted that message that i was posting on the thoughts of the majoity of people in the pr thread, which is why i posted. if i had simply posted because i didn't ike it then that is wrong and you would not have to in any way do as i said.

like i say, i think your question was answered wrong, and that maybe i did make a mistake by asking u that.

u have a lot to contribute to the EG hoovooloo, and u should not stop now just because of a disagreement/miscommunication.

spook

ps. if anyone does not get what i was on about then read posts 4 and 5 of this convo, and i'm sure u'll all see what i mean

I actually meant the original PR thread Hoo, but never mind.

ZFS- yeah, yesterday I spent all day asleep, but my boss is paranoid, so when I 'phoned in this morning, he told me to stay at home 'just in case' Sorry to here about the strom damage, worst we had was a few blown out fence panels, but they fall out if a small child sneezes at them, so it was hardly a surprise.