h2g2 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: Earth Edition

He hasn't posted in forever and his space is empty.

I know he hasn't posted in ages, it made me a little lonely here! I didn't realize that his space had dissapeared!!! I really find that most alarming! I'll have to ask him about that the next time I talk to him. Don't worry though... The Lord Job Boron is quite fine. I talk to him most days that I'm off and when I'm not I usually email him. I think Hootoo was giving him some trouble before he went away.

Oh good. I was a little concerned.

Do you know why he's not on h2g2 anymore?

I dont blame you.
If you want to know a secret I'm a little worried about Jerms. I haven't had a text from him in ages! I keep sending them but I never get a reply. To be honest thats not unusual...But usually I get one every now and again.

I dont really know why hes not on anymore. He told me that it wouldnt let him post or anything... Before he went away. I just assume he hasnt tried again. I'll ask him about it in my next email to him, I'll ask him what happened to his PS too. I should have thought to ask him when he was on MSN today. Although I was busy trying to figure out if I still want to be a goth.

~*~If you want to know a secret I'm a little worried about Jerms. I haven't had a text from him in ages! I keep sending them but I never get a reply. To be honest thats not unusual...But usually I get one every now and again.~*~


Relax, he's Jerms! I'm sure he's fine.

~*~I dont really know why hes not on anymore. He told me that it wouldnt let him post or anything... Before he went away. I just assume he hasnt tried again. I'll ask him about it in my next email to him, I'll ask him what happened to his PS too.~*~

Good. Let me know the story okay?

~*~I should have thought to ask him when he was on MSN today. Although I was busy trying to figure out if I still want to be a goth.~*~

Whoa!
*Does a double take.*
*Last thing he never expected to see.*

Who are you and what have you done with Met?

"Relax, he's Jerms! I'm sure he's fine."
Thanks X

I'm so glad we're still friends

"Good. Let me know the story okay?"
I sure will. I haven't talked to him yet...But as soon as I do I'll rush here to let you know.

~*~I should have thought to ask him when he was on MSN today. Although I was busy trying to figure out if I still want to be a goth.~*~
"Whoa!
*Does a double take.*
*Last thing he never expected to see.*
Who are you and what have you done with Met? "
Well you see this kid in Montreal went and shot some people. He said he was a goth. I was just questioning if my definition of goth is right or theirs is. Also there alot of people I dont like that call themselves goth... I want to distance myself from them. I talked to Job about it, he seems to have all the answers when I ask him questions like this (makes me feel stupid in a way). So the conclusion I have come to is that I'm a Romantic. Its still a goth, but in a more intellectual, well read, elitest kind of way I think. I'm still the same old Met Don't worry.... The idea of truely abandoning being goth made me extremely sad, I dont think I'll ever do it.

http://www.sfgoth.com/primer/mopeyframe.htmlhttp://www.sfgoth.com/primer/types.htmlhttp://www.sfgoth.com/primer/romantic.html

"Good. Let me know the story okay?"
~*~I sure will. I haven't talked to him yet...But as soon as I do I'll rush here to let you know.~*~



~*~Well you see this kid in Montreal went and shot some people. He said he was a Goth.~*~

Yeah I heard about that. Although to be honest it could be something different, come to think of it. Is Montreal in Canada or the U.S.?

~*~I was just questioning if my definition of Goth is right or theirs is.~*~

Oh, you know how it goes. Everyone has their own ideas. My thinking is that it's one of those undefinable things that you know when you see it but you can't describe it abstractly. Personally I think unprovoked violence and killing is definitely /not/ Goth.

~*~Also there alot of people I dont like that call themselves Goth... I want to distance myself from them.~*~

Meh. You don't have to like somebody just because they identify themselves with the same subculture you do. Take A for instance. He's the Scoutmaster of Troop 999, and I really like Troop 999, but I don't like him.

~*~I talked to Job about it, he seems to have all the answers when I ask him questions like this (makes me feel stupid in a way).~*~

Oh you are not.

~*~So the conclusion I have come to is that I'm a Romantic. Its still a Goth, but in a more intellectual, well read, elitest kind of way I think.~*~

That sounds like part of a website I like. It's one of the links on my space. Here, read these (in order):

http://www.sfgoth.com/primer/mopeyframe.htmlhttp://www.sfgoth.com/primer/types.htmlhttp://www.sfgoth.com/primer/romantic.html

I would actually describe you as Mopey but whatever.

~*~I'm still the same old Met Don't worry....~*~

*Had great difficulty picturing her in blue jeans and pink shirts.*

~*~The idea of truely abandoning being Goth made me extremely sad, I dont think I'll ever do it.~*~

Well it didn't really make sense to me, seeing's as it's not exactly a conscious choice or anything....

While we're on the subject though; I was wondering, who do you think is the Gothiest Character you've ever seen on TV and Film.

For Film I think The Punisher is. The best part about that is they actually show a transition from "regular guy" to "the world is cruel" guy.

And for TV I'd go with Teal'c, but I'm sure you already know what I'm talking about there.

Anyway...

Here's a better set up of those links. Sorry.


http://www.sfgoth.com/primer/mopeyframe.html

http://www.sfgoth.com/primer/types.html

http://www.sfgoth.com/primer/romantic.html

"Good. Let me know the story okay?"
~*~I sure will. I haven't talked to him yet...But as soon as I do I'll rush here to let you know.~*~
""
Umm... He was on MSN today... But I only got a chance to ask him how he was before he had to go.

~*~Well you see this kid in Montreal went and shot some people. He said he was a Goth.~*~
"Yeah I heard about that. Although to be honest it could be something different, come to think of it. Is Montreal in Canada or the U.S.?"
It's in easter Canada. In Quebec.

"Oh, you know how it goes. Everyone has their own ideas. My thinking is that it's one of those undefinable things that you know when you see it but you can't describe it abstractly. Personally I think unprovoked violence and killing is definitely /not/ Goth."
I know its not... It wasnt just that it was the definition in general. But I think you're right about it not being really definable.

~*~I talked to Job about it, he seems to have all the answers when I ask him questions like this (makes me feel stupid in a way).~*~
"Oh you are not."
Thank you, I appreciate your confidence in me and of course your reminding me that I'm not as bad as I think I am

"http://www.sfgoth.com/primer/mopeyframe.htmlhttp://www.sfgoth.com/primer/types.htmlhttp://www.sfgoth.com/primer/romantic.html
I would actually describe you as Mopey but whatever."
Thanks for the links
Heres my goth compass test results:
56% mopey
45% romantic
27% industrial
6% perkey
So you were right... Although the problem with that test is that some questions I couldnt answer but had to. Job says he thinks I'm a romantic. I dont know waht I am.... so its quite hard to say. But like one of the websites you sent me said, we're a combination of a lot of things.

~*~I'm still the same old Met Don't worry....~*~
"*Had great difficulty picturing her in blue jeans and pink shirts.*"
*looks down at her blue jeans* Well..... But I swear I'm wearing a black shirt and a long black coat!!

~*~The idea of truely abandoning being Goth made me extremely sad, I dont think I'll ever do it.~*~
"Well it didn't really make sense to me, seeing's as it's not exactly a conscious choice or anything.... "
Yes... Thats true... I didnt word it very well. What I mean was I was looking at myself and asking whether I had changed and no longer fit into the goth catagory.

"While we're on the subject though; I was wondering, who do you think is the Gothiest Character you've ever seen on TV and Film."
Film? Dracula... Especially the 1973 version. Because he didnt really seem like that bad a guy to me, and I think he really loved the girl and she got taken from him. On TV? thats tough... I dont know. I think people would say Spike from Buffy... But I havent even seen that show. To be honest I cant think of many gothic characters. I dont quite see what you mean about Teal'c.... I see him as more unemotional than depressed.

Who is The Punisher?

http://www.deadlounge.com/gothcompass/

"Good. Let me know the story okay?"
~*~I sure will. I haven't talked to him yet...But as soon as I do I'll rush here to let you know.~*~
""
~*~Umm... He was on MSN today... But I only got a chance to ask him how he was before he had to go.~*~

Well just ask him when you can.

~*~Well you see this kid in Montreal went and shot some people. He said he was a Goth.~*~
"Yeah I heard about that. Although to be honest it could be something different, come to think of it. Is Montreal in Canada or the U.S.?"
~*~It's in easter Canada. In Quebec.~*~

Oh. Something else then. Sounds the same though anyway.

~*~I talked to Job about it, he seems to have all the answers when I ask him questions like this (makes me feel stupid in a way).~*~
"Oh you are not."
~*~Thank you, I appreciate your confidence in me and of course your reminding me that I'm not as bad as I think I am.~*~

Well. You're not.

~*~Thanks for the links
Heres my goth compass test results:
56% mopey
45% romantic
27% industrial
6% perkey
So you were right... Although the problem with that test is that some questions I couldnt answer but had to.~*~

Yeah, I know. Did you get some questions where not all the text was there too?

These are my results:
59% Romantic
44% Mopey
25% Perky
5% Industrial

25% Perky.... How could I be described as perky? Perky's are lunatics!

~*~I'm still the same old Met Don't worry....~*~
"*Had great difficulty picturing her in blue jeans and pink shirts.*"
~*~*looks down at her blue jeans* Well..... But I swear I'm wearing a black shirt and a long black coat!!~*~

You know until recently (a few days ago) I didn't pay any attention to the way I dress differently from everyone else. Now I look at what they're wearing and it just seems weird.

~*~The idea of truely abandoning being Goth made me extremely sad, I dont think I'll ever do it.~*~
"Well it didn't really make sense to me, seeing's as it's not exactly a conscious choice or anything.... "
~*~Yes... Thats true... I didnt word it very well. What I mean was I was looking at myself and asking whether I had changed and no longer fit into the goth catagory.~*~

Ah, I see. Well it so happens that (funny coincidence) just this morning I was thinking about it and figured Goth's could be described as people who see what's wrong with the world, recognize it, and don't hide from it.

If that makes sense.....

"While we're on the subject though; I was wondering, who do you think is the Gothiest Character you've ever seen on TV and Film."
~*~Film? Dracula... Especially the 1973 version. Because he didnt really seem like that bad a guy to me, and I think he really loved the girl and she got taken from him.~*~

Well I didn't see that one I don't think, so I couldn't say. Based on the one I saw though you could be right, except..... Well he seems like he's seducing her through mind control almost.......

~*~On TV? thats tough... I dont know. I think people would say Spike from Buffy...~*~

I wouldn't know.

~*~To be honest I cant think of many Gothic characters. I don't quite see what you mean about Teal'c.... I see him as more unemotional than depressed.~*~

Well personally I don't think Gothic means depressed.... And I know he /looks/ unemotional (especially in the earlier seasons), but you can tell he really isn't.

His whole life he's been a slave and he didn't think the Goa'uld could ever be stopped, but he resisted them anyway. Despite the aweful stuff he had to do. Fits the bill if you ask me.

~*~Who is The Punisher?~*~

He was originally a Comic Book character. I didn't really know anything about him until the movie came out. Basically he was in the CIA until a drug lord murdered his entire family as revenge for (accidentally) killing the drug lord's son. He survived the slaughter though and became a vigilante because he didn't think the Law was actually doing anything about it. So he goes around opposing the bad guys as it were.

That test was really cool though.

~*~Well you see this kid in Montreal went and shot some people. He said he was a Goth.~*~
"Yeah I heard about that. Although to be honest it could be something different, come to think of it. Is Montreal in Canada or the U.S.?"
~*~It's in easter Canada. In Quebec.~*~
"Oh. Something else then. Sounds the same though anyway."
This just happend a week ago. I think you may be thinking of Columbine High School... That was in the states...In Colorado.

"Yeah, I know. Did you get some questions where not all the text was there too?"
No.... That didnt happen to me...

"These are my results:
59% Romantic
44% Mopey
25% Perky
5% Industrial
25% Perky.... How could I be described as perky? Perky's are lunatics!"
Its odd.... But that really doesnt remind me of you at all.... You dont really strike me as perky or romantic... I mean I may be wrong but I dont see you as the lace wearing type

"You know until recently (a few days ago) I didn't pay any attention to the way I dress differently from everyone else. Now I look at what they're wearing and it just seems weird."
Whats so weird about it? Do you mean how other goths dress? Or how people in general dress?

"Ah, I see. Well it so happens that (funny coincidence) just this morning I was thinking about it and figured Goth's could be described as people who see what's wrong with the world, recognize it, and don't hide from it.
If that makes sense....."
It makes sense. I agree with that, but I think there theres more to being goth than just that. I mean I think there has to be a certain feeling of affinity for the sublime. You have to be willing to stand out in a crowd, stand up for what you believe in. Love music, vampires, graveyards and dark stormy nights. There has to be tragedy in there somewhere too I think. Being sad is pretty darn gothic. It seems to defy definition... Perhaps to each goth its something different.

"Well I didn't see that one I don't think, so I couldn't say. Based on the one I saw though you could be right, except..... Well he seems like he's seducing her through mind control almost......."
With Frank Langella? That one? If we're talking about the same one I can understand how it might look like hes seducing her through mind control.... But I think that for some reason shes attracted to him. I think she has a choice. He says to her that if at any time his company doesnt please her she has only herself to blame... It implys that she has a choice.

~*~To be honest I cant think of many Gothic characters. I don't quite see what you mean about Teal'c.... I see him as more unemotional than depressed.~*~
"Well personally I don't think Gothic means depressed.... And I know he /looks/ unemotional (especially in the earlier seasons), but you can tell he really isn't."
Ok. Gothic does not mean depressed.... but I think that gothic and depressed have ties? relations? I dont know how to explain it...but being depressed is rather gothic.

"His whole life he's been a slave and he didn't think the Goa'uld could ever be stopped, but he resisted them anyway. Despite the aweful stuff he had to do. Fits the bill if you ask me."
Well you see what I said above... I think theres more to it than just that. Although fighting what you see to be a hopless battle is very nice in an idealistic way.

Man it takes me forever to reply to this post!! I'm not getting any homework done!!

Did you see? Job made the test Well him and someone else...

~*~Well you see this kid in Montreal went and shot some people. He said he was a Goth.~*~
"Yeah I heard about that. Although to be honest it could be something different, come to think of it. Is Montreal in Canada or the U.S.?"
~*~It's in easter Canada. In Quebec.~*~
"Oh. Something else then. Sounds the same though anyway."
~*~This just happend a week ago. I think you may be thinking of Columbine High School... That was in the states...In Colorado.~*~

No, this is recent. Mom was watching it on the news while I happened to be in the room. But I don't know where it was. I think in this case the cops shot him though.

"Yeah, I know. Did you get some questions where not all the text was there too?"
~*~No.... That didnt happen to me...~*~

Lucky. That happened to me at least three times.

"25% Perky.... How could I be described as perky? Perky's are lunatics!"
~*~Its odd.... But that really doesnt remind me of you at all.... You dont really strike me as perky or romantic... I mean I may be wrong but I dont see you as the lace wearing type~*~

Well in retrospect I can be rather cheerful if I want to be....

And you're right, I don't wear lace. But then this test is about attitude, not fashion.

"You know until recently (a few days ago) I didn't pay any attention to the way I dress differently from everyone else. Now I look at what they're wearing and it just seems weird."
~*~Do you mean how other goths dress? Or how people in general dress?~*~

Other people. I can only think of one Gothy looking guy around here.

~*~Whats so weird about it?~*~

They're all wearing blue jeans and colorful shirts! Without long coats! That doesn't seem strange to you? I mean colorful shirts, okay, I can get behind that. But blue jeans instead of black jeans? No coats?

"Ah, I see. Well it so happens that (funny coincidence) just this morning I was thinking about it and figured Goth's could be described as people who see what's wrong with the world, recognize it, and don't hide from it.
If that makes sense....."
~*~It makes sense. I agree with that,~*~

Oh, good. Writing it down it sounded kind of stupid.....

~*~but I think there theres more to being goth than just that. I mean I think there has to be a certain feeling of affinity for the sublime. You have to be willing to stand out in a crowd, stand up for what you believe in.~*~

You're right, I think that's true too.

~*~Love music, vampires, graveyards and dark stormy nights.~*~

And just nights in general. Particularly with black clouds, stars, and a full moon. *Loves those nights the best.*

I don't think all Goth's love vampires though (although I do). And I truly /dislike/ graveyards and cemetaries. Though I admit I'm a bit prejudiced about them, and who can blame me? Stupid things.

~*~There has to be tragedy in there somewhere too I think. Being sad is pretty darn Gothic.~*~

Yeah..... But I would describe that more as cause than effect.......

~*~It seems to defy definition... Perhaps to each Goth it's something different.~*~

That seems to be the consesus. They all agree that they can't agree on it.

"Well I didn't see that one I don't think, so I couldn't say. Based on the one I saw though you could be right, except..... Well he seems like he's seducing her through mind control almost......."
~*~With Frank Langella? That one?~*~

I have no idea who was in it.

~*~If we're talking about the same one I can understand how it might look like hes seducing her through mind control.... But I think that for some reason shes attracted to him. I think she has a choice. He says to her that if at any time his company doesnt please her she has only herself to blame... It implys that she has a choice.~*~

Yeah, it does. But like I said, I don't know that we're talking about the same versions.

~*~To be honest I cant think of many Gothic characters. I don't quite see what you mean about Teal'c.... I see him as more unemotional than depressed.~*~
"Well personally I don't think Gothic means depressed.... And I know he /looks/ unemotional (especially in the earlier seasons), but you can tell he really isn't."
~*~Ok. Gothic does not mean depressed.... but I think that Gothic and depressed have ties? relations? I dont know how to explain it...but being depressed is rather gothic.~*~

Yes, it can be. But I don't think it's an absolutely necessary ingredient.

"His whole life he's been a slave and he didn't think the Goa'uld could ever be stopped, but he resisted them anyway. Despite the aweful stuff he had to do. Fits the bill if you ask me."
~*~Well you see what I said above... I think theres more to it than just that.~*~

Well so do I. I was just pointing it out.

~*~Although fighting what you see to be a hopeless battle is very nice in an idealistic way.~*~

It's what I would do. Not to glorify myself or anything of course.

Besides, I like Teal'c. And if I say I think he's Gothic than I can just go on thinking that! Mwahahaha!!

~*~Man it takes me forever to reply to this post!! I'm not getting any homework done!!~*~

I know! It's huge!

~*~Did you see? Job made the test~*~

Yep! That was cool!

I wonder where he got the definitions for the types from.....

Ok... I already replied to this yesterday but the thing glitched and called me an unknown hiker and I lost my post. I didnt have enough energy to answer it again....Its soooooooooo long....

"No, this is recent. Mom was watching it on the news while I happened to be in the room. But I don't know where it was. I think in this case the cops shot him though."
Yeah, that was in Montreal, Quebec. He died.

"Well in retrospect I can be rather cheerful if I want to be....
And you're right, I don't wear lace. But then this test is about attitude, not fashion."
I didnt quite mean that.... I think I more just meant Romantic in general. Although to be honest I'd find it hard to pinpoint what kind of goth I think you are

"No coats?"
Ok... I agree. That totally is weird. I've never been able to understand how these people keep warm!!!

"I don't think all Goth's love vampires though (although I do). And I truly /dislike/ graveyards and cemetaries. Though I admit I'm a bit prejudiced about them, and who can blame me? Stupid things."
Dont all goths love vampires? I think you'd be hard pressed to find one that doesnt..... And I like the way graveyards look. I would like to walk in them. To be honest I dont want to walk through one where someone I love is burried. Also cemetaries during funerals suck, I dont care how gothic it is.

"Yeah, it does. But like I said, I don't know that we're talking about the same versions."
Was it the one where Lucy's father is Dr. Seward? And he's always eating all the time? Dr. Van Helsing's daughter is Mina and he and Dr. Seward go into the mines to kill her..... The version that is so not like the book that Mina and Lucy have switched roles?

"Besides, I like Teal'c. And if I say I think he's Gothic than I can just go on thinking that! Mwahahaha!! "
You mean I cant make you change your mind and see everything my way!!???

~*~Man it takes me forever to reply to this post!! I'm not getting any homework done!!~*~
I know! It's huge!
*pants as if running a marathon race*
Fewf!!! Almost done!!!

"I wonder where he got the definitions for the types from....."
I have absolutely not idea... If he ever comes back you should ask him.

Ok. So heres the story with Job....
He has no PS because he deleted it and when he went to post the new one it wouldnt let him. Apparently he left at about the same time I dissapeared... He says he may come back, but hes not sure. Also he says that he's very busy.
It doesnt bother me as I talk to him frequently on email and msn... but for those of us that only see him here... Its too bad.

"No, this is recent. Mom was watching it on the news while I happened to be in the room. But I don't know where it was. I think in this case the cops shot him though."
~*~Yeah, that was in Montreal, Quebec. He died.~*~

Oh. That's what I thought. How could he have said he was Goth if he was dead?

Moving right along......

"And you're right, I don't wear lace. But then this test is about attitude, not fashion."
~*~I didnt quite mean that.... I think I more just meant Romantic in general. Although to be honest I'd find it hard to pinpoint what kind of goth I think you are~*~

The kind who likes the letter "X".

"I don't think all Goth's love vampires though (although I do)."
~*~Dont all goths love vampires? I think you'd be hard pressed to find one that doesnt.....~*~

Well it would be like saying all American's are like Bush. How am I supposed to know if it's true or not?

"Yeah, it does. But like I said, I don't know that we're talking about the same versions."
~*~Was it the one where Lucy's father is Dr. Seward? And he's always eating all the time? Dr. Van Helsing's daughter is Mina and he and Dr. Seward go into the mines to kill her..... The version that is so not like the book that Mina and Lucy have switched roles?~*~

It could be. I vaguely remember that scene.

Dr. Van Helsing is played by Anthony Hopkins, now that I think about it.

"Besides, I like Teal'c. And if I say I think he's Gothic than I can just go on thinking that! Mwahahaha!! "
~*~ You mean I cant make you change your mind and see everything my way!!???~*~

*Looks her straight in the eye.* Nope.



Does the link still work for you? Because it doesn't for me and I was wondering if it was just that this is a library computer.

"No, this is recent. Mom was watching it on the news while I happened to be in the room. But I don't know where it was. I think in this case the cops shot him though."
~*~Yeah, that was in Montreal, Quebec. He died.~*~
Oh. That's what I thought. How could he have said he was Goth if he was dead?
He didnt say it after he was dead. He said it while he was alive. He had family and stuff... So obviously the polilce questioned them...

"I don't think all Goth's love vampires though (although I do)."
~*~Dont all goths love vampires? I think you'd be hard pressed to find one that doesnt.....~*~
"Well it would be like saying all American's are like Bush. How am I supposed to know if it's true or not?"
I dont think thats the same.... I dont think its a fair comparison.

"Does the link still work for you? Because it doesn't for me and I was wondering if it was just that this is a library computer."
What link?

"I don't think all Goth's love vampires though (although I do)."
~*~Dont all goths love vampires? I think you'd be hard pressed to find one that doesnt.....~*~
"Well it would be like saying all American's are like Bush. How am I supposed to know if it's true or not?"
~*~I dont think thats the same.... I dont think its a fair comparison.~*~

Well you're right, I had trouble thinking of one. But the point is that you can't just make a blanket statement.

"Does the link still work for you? Because it doesn't for me and I was wondering if it was just that this is a library computer."
~*~What link?~*~

The one to Goth Compass. But nevermind, it works now.

"Well you're right, I had trouble thinking of one. But the point is that you can't just make a blanket statement."
Well then theres not point ever discussing any group of people. You can never make blanket statements about anyone Forget groups you cant even do it about individuals.

That's true.