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*points to subject* and I don't really know the Trafalgars, so the vanguards were the only one's i could think of. Also, while I'd park subs there I'd like to point out that I'm a pcifist and a marxist, so i wouldn't actually nuke anyone...maybe just slap them about a bit

If you want to talk about knowwing terrorism, i grew up with it, so i probably have a slightly more valid view on the subject than you, although your view is of course still valid. the reason why I'm ed off at Isreal is not that I think they have no right to defend themselves, but rather that they seem to think that dropping bombs indiscriminately is a valid way of solving the Arab/Isreali problem. It's not. When they use precission guided bombs to destroy a UN compound they only turn other nations against them, when they fire missiles at civilians fleeing the bombing of their homes they only turn those civilians into more people who hate Isreal.

When you cripple a country to punish it for the actions of a few of it's citizens you breed demagogues and hatemongers. The citizenry feel slighted and hard done by, especially if it causes an economic colapse. They grow to feel that the world maybe owes them something and they decide to strike out at the world. It happened in Germany in 1933, and I'm sure you'll agree that that was one of the worst things to happen in the past... well in the past, I can't really think of anything worse, or at least not on the scale of, the Holocaust.

If you wan't me to draw a nasty comparison with Isreal's behaviour in the West Bank and Gaza Strip I can give you a good quote

So, I'm guessing that says pacifist, not pc-ifist, since nobody would ever admit liking a non-Mac platform THAT much, but Marxist in the social theory sense, or in the political practise based on that?

And is it even possible to be both a pacifist and a Marxist?
I honestly don't know all that much about either. I'm pretty much the opposite of both.

Anyway, okay. That was just an assumption, about launching the nukes.
So what would you do?

If you lived in Falsenamania, and the Nuclearconfusionistas started shooting rockets into your country every day?

It's a hard question, and history seems to indicate nobody really knows the answer. Not one that everybody can (excuse the pun) live with.

And accidents happen. In the case you mention, it appears more and more to be an accident.
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=37278180-a261-421d-84a9-7f94d5fc6d50

Hezbullah hides amongst the civilians of Lebanon, because it knows what will happen when Israel reacts.

War is hell.

Shoot, you want to talk accidents, in 1999, a Chinese embassy was bombed in Belgrade, Serbia. An old map said it was a warehouse containing weapons, but had been embassy for about 4 years.

And a NATO aircraft flattened it. Oops.

Internet conspiracists still think NATO knew it was an Embassy.

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The map was provided by the CIA. Common joke - How do you know the CIA did not assassinate John F. Kennedy?

He's dead, isn't he?

They didn't know. They just used an old map. And they're kinda stupid like that.
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Reading the news, Israel has been warning civilians to stay away from areas, even calling homes of suspected terrorists and asking them to evacuate their families before the bombs hit the buildings.

Sure, not enough is being done to safeguard the innocent, but nothing ever can be, and Israel seems to be doing the best possible job.

In many instances, the Hezbullah terrorists will not let people leave their towns.

I wish everyone would just get along, but my opinion is, if Hezbullah, and Hamas, and every other group out there aren't dealt with as harshly as possible, they'll just rearm, and prepare for next time.

Which, history tells us, is exactly what happened this time.

It's late, and I'm getting tired, and I have a feeling this is very long and strange...

(Just proof-read it, and correct on both counts)

...so I'm gonna go.

Yeah, it's a shame that the people living in Lebanon and Gaza are being made to suffer because of the actions of Hamas and Hezbullah.

Both of those groups, though, either _are_ the government, or have members in the government.

If states sponsor terrorism...

I dunno. I wish the civilians would get tired of being bombed, and tell the terrorists to quit hijacking their country, their religion, and their people.

That's what Egypt and Jordan did, and they haven't attacked Israel since 1973, and thus, Israel hasn't attacked them.

You leave them alone, you go on with your lives.







I don't know much about you, but I usually like you, for the most part.

But I don't know you well enough to know when you're being serious, and when you're not.
I didn't want to post more to your journal, for fear someone might take something the wrong way.
Bob knows that's happened in the past...

But if you want to respond to any of this, or continue this discussion, feel free to.

I'm unemployed, so I got all the time in the world.





Oh, and that whole "Remember 1812?" thing?

Which one was that? Was that the first time the Brits lost to the US?

...Noooo, that's right. That was the SECOND time they lost.

What are you trying to say? Haven't learned your lesson, yet?


To say nothing of the TWO times the US bailed England out against the Germans.

Bring it on, commie!
...wait. Are they Marxist?
... Whatever.


Have a day.

Pah! We didn't lose, we marched all the way to your capitol and raised it to the ground And we'd do it again easy, cus not of you overweight yanks with your hawaiian shirts, bermuda shorts and camera dangling round your neck could stop us

I'm rarely 100% serious, but one thing that scared me recently was seeing an Isreali, one of the ones living in one of the 'illegal' settlements on what is now technically Palestinian land, say that they needed the settlements and the barrier because the Israeli people needed room to breath. That was close enough to "We need breathing room" to scare the bejesus out of me, admittedly I later laughed at the irony.

Yeah, and then you marched all the way back to your capitol, as fast as you could run, just like the time before that!

Anyway, we've simply lulled you into a false sense of security with our tourist disinformation brigade.

We actually have two of the most fearsome fighting forces on the planet.

One is based in Compton, California, and is known as 'Gangstas'. Mostly of African decent, with pretty much unlimited weaponry, fashion, and bulletproof teeth.

The other is our berserker battalions. We call them 'Frat boys'.
Get some beer into them, and they become a whirlwind of property damage, and beatings of underclassmen.


You limeys don't stand a chance, street fighting against seasoned veterans such as these.



And I hate when they talk about land, over there. It's not about land, for any of them. Israel is about the size of New Jersey, and having been to both places, the Israelites picked the right spot to live, even with their neighbors.

But if they gave the West Bank to these people, and gave Shabaa farms to those people... gave everything, nobody would be satisfied. There's so much history, there will always be someone with a grudge against someone.

The land isn't why they hate each other. If they got that extra 2 square miles, would they suddenly become prosperous, and civilized?

No, it would just be 2 more square miles with more blood than water in it.

And the settlements aren't illegal. The ceasefire of the 1967 'war' made no provisions for returning anything. It's all Israel. They took it fair and square.

Except everybody else wants it.

Ad infinitum...

We beat you, but unlike yourselves, who were trying to 'liberate' Canada, we weren't interested in taking over, just demonstrating who was boss. Oh and we have our own 'Chavs' who could give your 'frat boys' a good kickin and we have our own 'gangstas'

It is about land, it's also about it's been going on since almost forever, but it is about. Specificaly it's about who's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great...great-grandfather "stole" land from whoelse's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great...great-grandfather.

Britain and the US 'giving' a very large chunk of Palestine over to become Israel didn't help.

Of course this could all have been settled amicably thousands of years ago if God had gone up to the various Arabic peoples living in the area from Judaea to upper Galilee and said "Look, I'm really sorry, but but this land's double booked, yeah I know, I know, but I had a temp in that day and she was useless and she messed up. However I've got some very nice land just south and east of here and that's got lots of oil which will be worth a lot of money in the future"

Also it's not about Israel per se, either. If Israel didn't exist the Arabs would still be fighting, they'd just be fighting amongst themselves.